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Re: CHAT: Introduction

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Wednesday, December 23, 1998, 4:31
J. Barefoot wrote:
> I have noticed the gender "bias" on this list, but it seems that women > are generally discouraged from creative and intellectual pursuits > anyway, if not by society, then by themselves. I enjoy being an > exception.
Quite true. I was on a scholar bowl team in high school. Altho the top 10 of our class was actually mostly female (in fact, both the valedictorian and the saludictorian were female) there were very few female members on our team, and they tended to be rather shyer about buzzing in than the males.
> First, I don't think it's fair to say one language is more beautiful > than another.
Saying language X is more beautiful *overall* than Language Y, I certainly agree with you. But I do think that it is fairer to say that Language X is more beautiful phoneticallly, for example, than Language Y.
> Secondly, I am interested in your methods. What do you do when you get > an idea for a new language? Do you outline it all at once? Do you do > each section in detail before moving on to a new one? Do you ruminate on > it for a year before setting done the phonology? How do you keep track > of vocabulary, etc.?
Here's my methods. First, I think a while about the general nature of the language. Will it be agglutinative? What distinctions will it make? Will it be ergative? Will there be adjective concord? That kind if thing. Then I work out a phonology (I don't see how you can go any further without doing that). What phonemes will I use? What syllable types will I allow? Don't be afraid to change it later, tho. For instance, perhaps you might decide that /stS/ cannot be allowed, and that those are to be replaced with /S/, thus you'd have to change /astSin/ to /aSin/. Once you do that, I like to work out inflectional morphology, if any. This is where I work out exactly what I want to distinguish. Most of my languages tend to have lots of inflectional morphology, so I work out aspects, tenses, personal endings, cases, numbers (they also tend to be agglutinative). You may wish to sketch out an earlier stage and changes that led to this one. Especially if you want a fusional language. Fusional langauges are descended from agglutinative languages. Again, don't be afraid to change these several times. W. has gone from 6 cases to 10 cases to 12 cases to 27 cases to 19 cases. Verbal inflections have changed several times as well, going from very agglutinative to partially fusional, and back to very agglutinative, tho with several morphophonemic alternations. Once you've worked out a provisional inflectional morphology, I like to work on some basic vocabulary, words like "see", "hit", "person", things like that, and experiment with basic sentences like "the man hit his brother" (I don't like to use verbs like "see" or "have" since those kinds of verbs often have different case-roles than most verbs). Gradually expand your vocabulary, using pencil and paper. I also use a computer. Programs that will alphabetize are wonderful. I use Shoebox. Not only will it alphabetize, it allows you to parse sentences and derived/inflected words and seperate roots and derivational morphemes. From time to time, I'll print out a new list. I'll use the most current list to write new words on. When I have a chance to add in the words into the program, I do so. Then, when I have a lot of added words, I'll print out a new copy, and throw away the old. And so on, and so on. Most importantly, remember that languages *never* have perfect one-to-one correspondences. If you intend to have a naturalistic lang, work out a conculture, it doesn't have to be detailed, just enough to know what kinds of differences would be considered important enough to lexicalize, as well as what kinds of words wouldn't have any translations, like computer for a hunter-gatherer society, or sword for a pacifistic society. Also, DON'T be afraid to change.