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Re: Tonal Songs and glossalalia

From:Diana Slattery <slattd@...>
Date:Monday, April 12, 1999, 11:44
Sally,

How very interesting.  I know one Jewish-mystical one that just goes "Yi
yi yi (long i)--very beautiful and haunting, learned from a rebbe named
Michael Shapiro--might have been his song. Not a chant, but only one
syllable. I'm thinking also of Qawwali--sufi songs, though they start
with known words, name of god, but branch into ecstatic sounds,
syllables.  Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan.  borderline?

Diana

Sally Caves wrote:

> Are there any musical experts on this list? What does anyone > know about "tonal songs" -- songs that are sung with meaningless > words? Bobby McFerrin has come out with a FABULOUS new CD > called "Circle Songs" (anybody familiar with it) where he and > famous singers like Nick Bearde, Paul Hillier, and Janis Siegal > get together and produce entirely vocal "orchestras" of meaningless > words. There is one song on there, just called "Circle Song Six," > that is completely haunting. While the rest have a kind of jazzy > African or Haitian quality to them, this one is hauntingly Middle > Eastern, and it fooled me into thinking that the man was singing > a real language. Is this how glossalalia works? The copy on the > CD speaks of it almost in those terms: "No words are necessary, and, > in fact, words only get in the way of the interaction between the > singer and the Divine. Words can create separation between listeners > due to language limitations. Tonal songs are universal in their > appeal and feeling. Such sacred sounds can be understood and > appreciated > by all, regardless of their culture, tradition, or background." > Jonathan > Goldman. > > How "universal" is the tradition of tonal singing? What is its > relationship to invented languages? I ask this, because Yaguello > and Schnapp sometimes seem to confuse this kind of language invention > with the stuff that we are doing. (Schnapp's remark about "infantile" > syllables, "open vowels" etc.; he means "open syllables" Matt told > me). > > While we're on the subject, who has heard of Sally Oldfield? (any > relationship to Mike Oldfield?) She produced a record album long > years ago called _Water Bearer_ in which she seemed to be singing > a Tolkein-like language. There is another singer, more recent, > whose CD my husband has in the attic and he promises to get it for > me--I can't remember it by sight-- where the woman has a private > language she sings in. I think it was a kind of tonal singing. > > Sally > scaves@frontiernet.net > http://www.frontiernet.net/~scaves/teonaht.html > > >
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