Theiling Online    Sitemap    Conlang Mailing List HQ   

Re: a new project of conlang

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Monday, November 16, 1998, 9:58
At 18:12 15/11/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Christophe Grandsire wrote: > >> GENITIVES, ATTRIBUTIVES and ADJECTIVES: >> >> These are three different constructions whose purpose is to >> determine a noun with another noun, or the meaning of a root. > >I am currently trying to disentangle adjectives from stative verbs, >without much success. As for genitives, I just run them together >as normal nouns "John horse shoe nail" like a Germanic compound >but with spaces to breate. > >> GENDER: >> >> Gender is neither the unproductive system that we find in French, >> nor the classes system of Swahili. It's rather a productive system of >> derivations (roots have no gender in themselves, roj meaning for example >> 'human' in a very broad sense) that can seem a little like Esperanto, but >> with a "gender-like" flavour. As gender is used for agreement between=
nouns
>> and their determinants (pronominal complexes with antecedents, genitives, >> attributives and adjectives), I kept the name 'gender' to describe that >> system. A gender can have subgenders, and subgenders can have=
subsubgenders.
>> The tree of this system is: >> >> - animated: letter k. - human: k'a. (- masculine: k'a-n.) >> (- feminine: k'a-ti.) >> (- group: k'a-se.) >> - animal: ki. (- masculine: ki-n.) >> (- feminine: ki-ti.) >> (- group: ki-se.) >> - other (gods, extraterrestrials...): k. >> - inanimated: letter m. - plants: me. >> - part of animated: mi-k. >> - object: m'aj. >> - 'material' (used with ingredients in cooking):=
m.
>> - pseudo-animated (fire, planets, earthquakes):
m'a-k.
>> - conceptual: letter j. - idea, art, doctrine (everything in -ism): jer. >> - abstraction (of something concrete): j'a. >> - quality (in a broad sense): j. >> >> I borrowed this idea from Carlos Thompson and adapted it in my=
way.
>> He picked my curiosity with his idea of subgenders. > >Using genders that way is cool. What do you do to distinguish >a habitual (not cases) "employ-er" from an "employ-ee" etc.? >I might use noun classes (genders) for that sort of thing. > >
I didn't think of that. I think it's because the French equivalents 'employeur' and 'employ=E9' are not that used (we use 'employ=E9', but= almost never 'employeur'. We generally use the word 'patron': 'boss'). So I don't think it must resort to grammar, rather to vocabulary. PL is made to be 'naturalistic' (well, at least naturalistic to my opinion) and I like leaving some distinctions that could be made by derivation into the vocabulary. When I have this language evolved, maybe such derivation will appear. Christophe Grandsire |Sela Jemufan Atlinan C.G. "R=E9sister ou servir" homepage: http://www.bde.espci.fr/homepage/Christophe.Grandsire/index.html