Relay 1 Czevraqis etc.
|From:||Roger Mills <romilly@...>|
|Date:||Saturday, August 25, 2001, 4:44|
This went directly to Claudio rather than the list. It may be of interest.
>---->> tramepu left undone, incomplete; not done (either by omission, orbecause
>---->> the work was abandoned, contrast ta rumbende incomplete but due tobe
>---->> trambepu unemployed
>well that reminds me to some process-aspects.
>but i dont quite understand: does tramepu refer to anot-yet-started-working-process or to an interrupted working-process ?
The latter, with strong implication that work will not be resumed. There
can be a question of intention, too: e.g. one section of a planned 12
section poem or novel, written 20 years ago, is probably tramepu 'left
undone (abandoned)' (and definitely so after the author's death); 11
chapters out of 12 is probably ta rumbende 'not (yet) finished'. Or (as I
understand it) work on a Pharaoh's tomb was stopped when the Pharaoh died--
Also tramepu: something one ought to have done, but didn't (and won't), as
opposed to something one is supposed to do, but hasn't yet (tamende mepu,
'not yet done'
>a process which is stopped and aimed to be continued is : interrupted ->aspect of interruption
This would be ta rumbende: a highway or building that is stopped because
money or materials temporarily ran out. Or, a project that is still ongoing
but simply has not yet been finished.
>a process which is stopped and not aimed to be continued is : aborted ->aspect of abortion
tramepu, perhaps because it was impractical, impossible or found to be
unnecessary (and will not be resumed); or else simply "stopped" by
deliberate decision (but may be resumed by later decision-- e.g the
countdown to a rocket launch)
>a process which is stopped before it has been started and to be continuedis: deferred -> aspect of deferral
another word entirely.
>a process which is stopped before it has been started and not to becontinued is: cancelled -> aspect of cancellation
yet another word entirely. One could also say ta yukar 'didn't happen,
didn't come off'. Ta yukar could also apply to something started/attempted
but didn't work out-- a love affair, application for a loan
>and others ...
>"to stop" is a very ambiguos but usefull generic verb, and i used it asneutral form, without any aspects.
>i was unable to find a term for the "time span before a process hasstarted", to name it "preparation" would be inappropriate,
>because a preparation itself is a process and not a "process-freetime-span".
>perhaps someone can give me a hint to find the correct term?"dreaming stage"? "gleam in the eye stage"? :-)
Interesting distinctions, perhaps requiring more logical analysis than many