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Re: USAGE: [YAEPT] (was Re: "To whom")

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Thursday, January 27, 2005, 20:17
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 09:41:36AM -0600, Thomas R. Wier wrote:
> [?] isn't phonemic; he just wasn't being careful in his notation.
Where "he" is me. Actually, I *was* being careful, just not correct. :) I tend to avoid the use of brackets for anything more than an isolated phone, because they scare me. Their use seems to imply a level of precision I'm not generally prepared to supply, involving all sorts of nit-pickery, such as precise POA/vowel location with diacritics to get it just right, plus indication of details like aspiration, no-audible-release, etc. even when subphonemic. Just thinking about trying to render a typical L1 English utterance of mine in phonetic notation is frankly exhausting. I mean, I have no idea exactly where along the bottom of the vowel chart my "ah" sound is, and I'm half-convinced that aspiration is a case of pesky furriners trying to gaslight us poor ignorant 'Murkins by making up inaudible "distinctions" where none really exists. (The Japanese probably have similar suspicions regarding [l]/[r\].) Anyway. I tend to use /../ for broad phonetic transcription, not just phonemic. It's a bad habit I shall attempt to lose. I should certainly have used [] for my description of the British pronunciation of |better| as [bE?@]; in this case I'm actually more confident of the phonetic transcription. What's the phonemic status of trailing -r in non-rhotic English? Is it considered an underlying phoneme whose phonetic realization is a modification of the preceding vowel (or none at all, in the case of schwa), or merely a graphical convention used to indicate in writing which of two vowel phonemes should be selected? (At least in those cases where English spelling has some bearing on pronunciation.) -Marcos

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Tristan McLeay <conlang@...>[YAEPT] non-rhotic r (was Re: "To whom")