Re: Sorting PIE with IPA

On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:32:42 -0400, Edgard Bikelis <bikelis@...>
wrote:

> Paul Bennett escreveu:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:31:52 -0400, Edgard Bikelis <bikelis@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>     Hi! I never heard of your PIE conlang, or maybe you are working on
>>> PIE itself?
>>
>> Edgard, I think you misunderstand.
>
> Oops ; ). It's slightly off-topic then, but I should have noted.
Well, it certainly veers towards the edge of topic-wrthiness, but the
subject matter is soundly within the relevant expertise of the list, and
the dictionary, when complete, should hopefully be very on-topic indeed.

>> Both your answers agree with what I've done so far, which is (for
>> example)
>>
>> ... h ʰ h₁ h₂ h₃ i ɨ ɪ j ʲ ʝ k ḱ kʷ l ɬ ɭ ɮ ʟ m ɱ ɯ ɰ ...
>>
>
> Good lord! That will be the most stravagant typographic challenge I ever
> heard ; )
Well, Geoff Pullum has done all the "heavy lifting" in devising an
ordering for phonetic symbols, as used in his "Phonetic Symbol Guide". I'm
simply faced with the task of slotting in extra characters as I neeed
them. The tools to perform the typography itself are readily available and
easily used: Microsoft Word 2007 plus the MS Keyboard Layout Compiler,
with BabelMap for the especially odd stuff.

> But, indeed... stick with the 'visual way', as you call it. We don't
> know the exact articulation of those sounds... giving it in IPA is just
> risk without benefit... more than using IPA everywhere.
I think I agree, but part of me will not stop worrying about readers who
know the IPA but do not know the PIE symbols.

>> As I find characters I need, I'm creating them (using
>> http://fontforge.sourceforge.net ). When the book is complete, I have
>> already discussed with Victor at SIL sending him any characters I have
>> created for inclusion in the public font if appropriate.
> Do you use it on Linux or on Windows through Cygwin? I heard a lot about
> that program, but... I would rather install any linux here than using
> Cygwin...
I use it through Cygwin/X on Windows. Cygwin/X installation and
functionality has come a very long way since the early days -- it was
painless for me even though I had never configured X any further than
running SaX2. The UI of Fontforge suffers more from being a very
general-purpose X-based program than from any problems with Cygwin/X and
Windows, which in my experience is pretty seamless -- aside from a couple
of over-enthusiastic tooltips from time to time.

Of course, if Cygwin/X is still not good for you, there's always VMware,
but that might be overkill for a single application.




Paul




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