Re: Sorting PIE with IPA
| From: | Paul Bennett <paul.w.bennett@...> |
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| Date: | Monday, May 21, 2007, 22:06 |
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On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:31:52 -0400, Edgard Bikelis <bikelis@...>
wrote:
> Hi! I never heard of your PIE conlang, or maybe you are working on
> PIE itself?
Edgard, I think you misunderstand. I have a document which will be an
"alphabetical" list of entries with some entries using PIE notation and
some entries using IPA notation. I want help with ideas figuring out the
best way to merge the two slightly different sets of symbols.
The question really is:
Should I pick phone*ic values for the PIE symbols and list them as the IPA
symbols for those sounds? (I call this the "phonetic way").
... or ...
Should I list the PIE symbols as if they were variants of the IPA glyphs
they're similar to, and order them in the same fashion as the other
"variant" glyphs in the document? (I call this the "visual way").
> Paul Bennett escreveu:
>> Should I sort the PIE palatals (ḱ ǵ ǵʰ) with the IPA palatals (c ɟ
>> ɟʰ) or with the k-like symbols?
> Anyway, that kind of question seems to always end on the correct
> articulation of those sounds... if <k'> is /kj/ or /c/ or whatever : /.
That's a problem if I choose to go the "phonetic way", but as you say...
> If you use the classical symbols, you will save yourself of this kind of
> question.
So that's a vote for doing things the "visual way", right?
>> Should I sort the PIE labiovelars (kʷ gʷ gʷʰ) with the IPA labiovelars
>> (ȹ ȸ ȸʰ) or with the k-like symbols?
>> Actually, *would* that help you, as the reader?
> I never saw those symbols!
As I understand it they are "optional" symbols in the 2005 IPA.
> I would stick with our traditional symbols here too...
The "visual way" again, then.
Both your answers agree with what I've done so far, which is (for example)
... h ʰ h₁ h₂ h₃ i ɨ ɪ j ʲ ʝ k ḱ kʷ l ɬ ɭ ɮ ʟ m ɱ ɯ ɰ ...
> On a typographical point of view, it's much harder to find a good
> typeface to IPA symbols. Unless you are not fond of serif...
Oh, I have a perfect font for my needs:
http://scripts.sil.org/CharisSILfont
As I find characters I need, I'm creating them (using
http://fontforge.sourceforge.net ). When the book is complete, I have
already discussed with Victor at SIL sending him any characters I have
created for inclusion in the public font if appropriate.
Thanks for your help!
Paul
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