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Re: R: Re: preferred voices?

From:Mangiat <mangiat@...>
Date:Tuesday, September 26, 2000, 13:37
David Bell wrote:

> > From: Mangiat > > > > > > The only explanation I've ever > > > >gotten is that it's not as powerful as active but I don't really buy > > > >that. > > > > > > That doesn't really make much sense to me. What is "powerful" > > supposed to > > > mean? > > > > I find the passive voice powerful as the active. Ergative langs > > use passive > > much more than active (okay, okay, that's not exactly the same thing!). > > > Actually, I don' think that is the case. Many (most?) ergative languages > don't even have a passive.
Well, I meant that if we consider a passive verb a verb which agrees with the patient, in an ergative lang we'd have: me.ERG love.3s girl.ABS From a western's perfective, influenced by accusative langs (BUT this's not the case, and that's why I said it wasn't the same), the verb concording with the patient would generally mean passive. Luca
> You may be referring to the antipassive, which > for ergative languages serves an analogous function as the passive does
> accusative languages. However, although the antipassive may be used more
> ergative languages than the passive is in accusative ones, I am not at all > certain that it is used more than the active and rather suspect that this
> not the case. I'll check my sources. > > David >