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Re: USAGE: English eth

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Monday, November 12, 2001, 12:40
En réponse à laokou <laokou@...>:

> so, do these really count as minimal pairs, then? It feels to me akin to > the > difference between (perhaps I'm more a K-baum than SAMPA guy? so) > > peu /pY/ vs. peur /pY:R/ > eux /Y/ vs. heure /Y:R/ > jeu /ZY/ vs. jeune /ZY:n/ > etc. > (Christophe used /2/ and /9/ respectively) >
But it's not a difference of length! (French doesn't have phonemic length, and in this case, if there is an impression of lengthening of the vowel, it's only because of the presence of a voiced continuant) It's a difference of quality (the vowel in the right part of the pairs is lower (more open) than the one of the left part.
> Perhaps Christophe has a point. Natives perceive the difference even > if > there aren't minimal pair contrasts (and this ain't the "heng" thang, > is > it?). >
Indeed. AFAIK I always perceived the difference, even when I didn't know anything about linguistics and even before I began to learn another language. Christophe. Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.