Re: THEORY: Re : THEORY: French Linguistic Thinking.

On 7 Jun 99, at 15:25, Ed Heil wrote:

> >From Http://Members.Aol.Com/Lassailly/Tunuframe.Html wrote:
>
> > i did not read his lingobooks but i know that's basically what i wrote
> > on this thread. i re-read my books this week-end and yes, i found out =
i
> > just re-wrote their theory in this thread. i find it very exciting tha=
t
> > some of
> us
> > find them "foreign". maybe basic linguistics are different from one
> > country
>
> > to another as close as france and norway ! as for UE, this guy knows
> > more than he displays about the antique "parfait de langue" project
> > (although he
>
> > is very verbous). i suspect he is a conlanger. what worries me is that
> > he
> is
> > now an esperantist convert... ;-)
>
> Really! I hadn't read his "search for the perfect language" book yet.
>  Is that where it all ends?  Esperanto?
>
> > as for the actance roles, you can find your own ones yourself. they do
> exist
> > in a limited number, provided you un-aspectivize them (when you don't,
> > they
>
> > grow hundreds). the problem is that they are very "down-to-earth" and
> > even "nitty-gritty" and all have an inverse form. for the first and la=
st
> > time (because that's the kind of theory that makes you a geek in the
> > eyes of everyone ;-) i'll tell you some i've found : (12) to wend
>
> To WEND?
>
> > (13) to wend according to the pattern of
>
> > but forget about them and pretend i did not write anything stupid like
> > that
>
> > ;-).
>
> Not at all!  You've obviously spent a lot of time on this problem.
>
> > > Ever hear of the "Semiotic Square"?
> >
> > never.
>
> Ah, it's something in Gremias.  Not precisely linguistic, but
> semiotic, and kind of dependent on Gremias' structuralism...  Perhaps no=
t
> worth going into here.  It was just something that Eco talked about and
> got from Gremias along with "actantial roles."
>
> >
> > i quote bernard pottier in "linguistique g=E9n=E9rale - th=E9orie et
> > description"
>
> > (1985) :
> >
> > "that certain "schools" may have considered syntax as their essential
> concern
> > is something incredible. common sense has eventually triumphed. europe=
an
> > semantics always existed, and this work aims at contributing to the
> > continuance thereof." (my free translation)
> >
> > mathias
>
> Ooh, they don't like Chomsky at all in France, then, do they?
>
> I think the theorists I like are sort of post-Chomskian, trying to
> scrap that whole Generative Grammar project and start over, as opposed t=
o
> the French who never took it up to begin with.
>
> Ed Heil ------ edheil@postmark.net
> --- http://purl.org/net/edheil ---
>


Jim Henry III
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