Evidentials for a future English (multiple replies)
|From:||Estel Telcontar <estel_telcontar@...>|
|Date:||Thursday, October 21, 2004, 19:56|
Roger Mills ha tera a:
> What a neat idea!Thanks! I was thinking it would be neat to speak a language with
evidentials, and that got me trying to figure out how they could happen
[a reduced form for "apparently"]
> Just based on what I often hear, [pe~r?li] Not sure how it would be
> spelled... :-)That would provide a great avenue for development into my proposed
form, /perli/. I haven't decided yet to allow nasalized vowels, or I
would probably use your form. (Oh, and by the way, I realised that I
should have spelt /perli/ as "peirly", not "perly", which would be
> supposedly or (ugh) supposably: ['spozdli, 'spozbli]Good suggestion. I'd go with Muke's suggestion on this one, to reduce
it further to /'spozli/, and avoid having to decide whether it comes
from "supposedly" or "supposably".
> We already have ['prAbli]... /-li/ could be the marker for thisclass.
And, as Muke noted, it can be further reduced to /'prAli/. I don't
generally reduce it that far, but I know people who do, and that's the
form I'd use if I include it as an evidential.
> "It is said" : ['tsEdli] ? "maybe" changes to ['mebli] :-)Hm, I don't care for these - they sound too contrived to me, not like
something that would actually arise naturally.
Henrik Theiling ha tera a:
> I like the idea of evidentials. Don't let them have one for 'I know
> from trustworthy sources, that...' :-)
> I have evidentials as one of the very few mandatory categories in
> Q'eng|ai.:-) I like the idea of evidentials too. I think the evidentials that
this future English has will be mandatory.
> Personally, 'apparently' feels too vague to be a good evidential for
> Q'eng|ai's system. So I'd make 'perli' more clear and assign it
> either 'hearsay' or 'perception'.
Yes, I'd sharpen it up as a marker for either 'hearsay' or
'inferential' (as in "he's not here" [because his shoes are gone])
And thanks, John, for the Lojban link.