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>I tried out something like that last night -- a phoneme inventory
>of /q' t' ? c B j\ M\  y 2 &~ 1 M 7/, and consonants are required
>to always occur in clusters.  But I gave up on it pretty soon;
>it seems to me a dadalang phonology should be exotic and
>absurd but still reasably euphonious, if we're going to write
>Dada poetry in it.  It should enable poetry as silly and as
>beautiful as the "Chanson Dada".
>
>So my second draft phonology/orthography would look more like this:
>
>/? t_w c B T j\ M\  y 2 & 1 M 7/
><' t   c v z j  w   y e a i u o>
>
>with (C)V(C) syllables and some restrictions on medial clusters
>(not sure what yet).
IMO, a dadalang ought to also sound Inherently Funny to some degree, not
just kitchensinky or weird. However, things go subjectiv here so I'll go off
on a tangent: this reminds me of an idea I had for a loglang - a phoneme
inventory where no two phonemes share a feature - aside from the über-wide
ones like "coronal" or "voiced". The latest version was something like this:
/tS_> t mb N f R\ j l` h/
Which has the additional peculiarity that if you chart them by POA in this
MOA order, the resulting grid works as a solution to the N queens problem on
a 9x9 chessboard... ;)

(I eventually settled on something slightly more regular however, as that
enables systematicing phonosemantics and morphophonemics. But it still looks
more like Láadan than Ithkuil...)

>e - first person pronoun; third person beloved pronoun
>o - second person pronoun; third person ambivalent pronoun
>a'a - third person despised pronoun
Neat idea. Might work well in plural especially.

>wyzoji - the kind of word which would probably occur less than once
>      in a million-word corpus, but which one includes in one's conlang
>      in order to demonstrate one's erudition
>eti - temporary exhaustion with lexicon-making
>
>--
>Jim Henry
So, yet another tangent:, does anyone have words for "conlang" and similar
non-natlinguistic concepts *in* their conlang(s)?

John Infinitederivativ

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