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From:Jim Henry <jimhenry1973@...>
Date:Wednesday, February 27, 2008, 17:12
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:50 AM, John Vertical <johnvertical@...> wrote:

> >(and grammar/phonology? Not sure what would > >make a dadaïste phonology. Maybe a phoneme
> Yes, dadaist phonology might be difficult to distinguish from "kitchensinky" > or "alien". Stuff like phonemic /spl/ but no phonemic /p/ could make it. > Maybe require consonants &vowels to always come in clusters of 2N? Let's try > this... > > /sp bl st rl sk gl/ <p b t d k g> > /mf xt Nf Nm Xf/ <m s f n h> > /pj pw tH kj kw/ <z v x c q> > /qK @u gZ lX/ <l r j w> > /ae eu i2 oy ui @a/ <y o e u i a> > > <example> > /i2.'tH@amf.spqKi2/ > <another> > /@aNmeustXfi2@u/ > <zomg wut> > /pjeumfgl lXoyst/
I tried out something like that last night -- a phoneme inventory of /q' t' ? c B j\ M\ y 2 &~ 1 M 7/, and consonants are required to always occur in clusters. But I gave up on it pretty soon; it seems to me a dadalang phonology should be exotic and absurd but still reasably euphonious, if we're going to write Dada poetry in it. It should enable poetry as silly and as beautiful as the "Chanson Dada". So my second draft phonology/orthography would look more like this: /? t_w c B T j\ M\ y 2 & 1 M 7/ <' t c v z j w y e a i u o> with (C)V(C) syllables and some restrictions on medial clusters (not sure what yet). izo - Dada e - first person pronoun; third person beloved pronoun o - second person pronoun; third person ambivalent pronoun a'a - third person despised pronoun 'yta - wildebeest; a nagging suspicion that one has forgotten something uvci - lungs; sense of Dada cavze - nose; thumb; another part which we perhaps should gloss in the decent obscurity of a learned language, if at all tyvu - to seek; to lose zua - song, poem, nervously muttered explanation of why one's homework is late; to sing, write a poem, mutter a nervous explanation etc. wyzoji - the kind of word which would probably occur less than once in a million-word corpus, but which one includes in one's conlang in order to demonstrate one's erudition o'iv - a house which has been abandoned, vandalized, cleaned up and reinhabited by a commune of Dadaist conlangers, repossessed by a bank which shortly afterward went bankrupt, and abandoned again, a cubic number of times eti - temporary exhaustion with lexicon-making -- Jim Henry