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Re: Optimum number of symbols

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Tuesday, May 21, 2002, 23:14
"Mike S." wrote:
> I am relatively unfamiliar with Japanese script, but I have studied > enough Japanese grammar to know that, while the syllable structure > is simple, it's not that simple. There are more than 46 syllables.
Correct. There is also a voicing diacritic (which, due to historical sound changes, also has the odd property of changing /h/ to /b/) and a marker for gemination, as well as a system of combining characters to create CyV (specifically, Ci + smaller yV), however, by "learning hiragana", I do mean learning to read it, with those additional complications. The Japanese script, in fact, could be more accurately described as "moraic", since, for the most part, it indicates _moras_ rather than _syllables_, e.g., _yokatta_ is written yo-ka-t-ta, each character representing a single mora, a single unit of time, another example, _ookii_ (big) is written o-o-ki-i, again, each character representing one unit of time, or _onna_ (woman) written o-n-na, once again, each unit pronounced in equal time. The voicing diacritic, I suspect, evolved not as a way of reducing the number of required characters but simply as a way of reflecting a regular process in Japanese wherein, in compound words, the initial consonant of the second component will sometimes voice, e.g., ao- (stem of aoi, "blue") + sora (sky) = aozora; or hira (stem of hirai "plain") + kana (syllabry) = hiragana.
> So how do you know that, were the Japanese to adopt an alphabet, > Japanese children wouldn't learn how to read and write even faster?
I admit your point, it does tend to be a matter of personal opinion backed by little or no research. My experiences with constructed alphabets and syllabries has been that syllabic characters are easier to learn, but I admit the possibility that that's because of my bias towards syllabries, I tend to concentrate on those syllables more. -- "There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd, you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." - overheard ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42

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Thomas R. Wier <trwier@...>