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Re: Optimum number of symbols

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Tuesday, May 21, 2002, 13:21
En réponse à Lars Henrik Mathiesen <thorinn@...>:

> > What does Japanese do with imported words like ring? There was a > recent thriller that came up here with the romanized title Ringu (The > Ring) --- would that reflect kana ri-n-gu /ri-n=-gM/, or just someone > trying to make it look Japanese? >
No, it indeed reflects the way Japanese people would pronounce the word in a Japanese sentence (in fact, "ringu" is now part of the common vocabulary of many Japanese speakers) and how it is written in katakana. English ending -ing is always transcribed and pronounced as i-n-gu (I suppose the velar articulation of the final nasal is well heard, but in Japanese doesn't exist without a velar onset afterwards. This and probably also the way it's written in English probably led to the pronunciation [iNg(M)] (remember that medial and final /M/ is often dropped in Japanese, hence its common use to break consonant clusters or write codas that are impossible in Japanese). This way, the velar quality of the nasal can be kept, and the whole thing is not too unlike the word it originated from. Christophe. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.

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Lars Henrik Mathiesen <thorinn@...>NATLANG: Velar nasals in Japanese, and coda moras.