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OT: Possible French idiom? (fairly long, ok? ok?)

From:J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>
Date:Tuesday, February 17, 2004, 7:17
In a message dated 2004:02:16 08:31:46 PM, axiem@FASTMAIL.FM writes:

>From my experience, both "slow down" and "slow up" are perfectly acceptable, >and I've both heard and used both. As for any difference or origin, I can't >think of much. My best guess is that if you have a spinner a la Wheel of >Fortune (where it has a bunch of poles that click something), as the wheel >slows down in a rotation, the sound produced "goes down" in pitch (tone? >I don't know sound terms).
Pitch periodicity IIRC is the most specific acoustic/musical terminology. Of related interest might be this website on "acousmatics": In a message dated 2004:02:16 06:52:46 PM, treborjung@FREE.FR writes:
>Another question: Why in English do we say 'Slow down!' and 'Hurry up!'? >Why not 'Slow up!' and 'Hurry down!'? Or is this just how idioms work - >they make no sense - or is there some (historical?) reason for using 'up' >with one verb and 'down' with another?
It's all about a language's - and a culture's or even a subculture's sense of lexico-semantics. Just look at the Afro-American slang for anti-intellectualism: dummy down as in "Hey man, don't be so f*ckin' White [or, in my case, geeky Chink-like]. Dummy down to our level." To which I have replied: I do not play that game as I do not think a level playing field is realistic in the long run ;) Don't you want to have a sharp edge and be truly dangerous? Then now aspire to greater things instead of being lazy. Pisses them off pretty mightily, but mayhaps enough that they end up reaching for the stars... - versus the quite different lexico-semantic space of HardBoiled slang for "playing dumb": _dummy up_ i.e. "I never talked to either the bulls [prison guards] or blowhard cons when I was doin' hardtime [a long sentence in prison]. I never talked to cops on the beat. Or your average thug out on the Streets. I dummied up. I ain't no snitch or busybody. I mind my own ball of wax..." ... AFAIK only in America has anti-intellectualism and the "Lowest Common Denominator" have been extolled with such colourful slang in mainstream popular culture... Everywhere else it's quite different - esp'ly in certain "scholar subcultures" like those of the Jewish and Chinese ... & the once great British "soldier-scholar" ideal as exemplified by Sir Richard Burton and Sir Ernest Henry Shackleton. And most of the time, "the best and brightest" cut the bleedin' mamby-pamby B.S. and just call it "mob-mentality"* or "rabble-mindedness","the democracy of mediocrity" and "plain and simple idiocy"... * and considering gangster/gangbanger rap music, this definitely takes on a darker shade of meaning ;) ... and the more Nietzschean/Social Darwinistic/Eugenic/neo-Fascistic amongst intellectuals call for the "culling of the human race" or, as one friend of mine sarcastically says, "time to chlorinate the shallow end of the gene pool"... to which I said the shallow end of the gene pool seems to be killing itself off quite well without any further measures or "solutions" necessary or called for... Mother Nature works just fine, thank you. Just my lil Taoist vote of confidence in the mysterious seemingly chaotic ways God or the Cosmos moves and works... ... and my feral-child-like Anarchistic response to any euphemistic schemings for State-sponsored mass abortions and mass capital punishment/murder and a Techno-elitist Globalist culture of total war and death-dealing for profit, the filthy lucre of Mammon and Babylon. (Gibber Gibber ides of March thee Roman Empire istill with us in the Statist-US Quo...) IMHO Murder is Murder, killing is killing, ... death is death is death!!! Let's not fool ourselves with Orwellian "NewSpeak" and chatter of "necessary evils," it does not serve humanity in the long run. We Higher Primates are a creative and resourceful species - let's use our monkeybrainies to avoid all "necessary evils" and the "everyday banality of evil." I believe in "Perpetual Revolution, raw life, like love, dazzling at every moment" - By Any Means Creative and Imaginable. I believe in Total Animal Liberation: time to stop being "bad animals" and start being "good animals." All us animals are all onboard this Good Spaceship Earth together... Besides the best and longest lasting forms of social change always start from the grass-roots up - on this Taoism, Anarchism and some decent thinking forms of non-kneejerk Christianity are in total agreement. I am utterly confident there are other "human-animal-sized" worldviews that share this principle as well :) And the best well-known example of this is Jesus Christ. He worked and lived and "hung out" with the dregs of society - the wretched, the poor, the despised, the feared... and he was also famous for such proto-Surrealistic word-play such as the earthy peasant, GrouchoMarxist, transcultural humour of the parable form, i.e. the splinter in your neighbor's eye versus the beam in your own. What a worldview! ;) my friend and music teacher/colleague John Chalmers writes:
>There is a research center at Rotarua, NZ that had close connections to >the Genetics department at Berkeley. One of my friends was there for awhile-- >said the local Maori cheftains used to order fresh fish brought by runner
>the ocean. If the fish weren't fresh enough, they ate the runners instead.
LMAO No blinkin' wonder the North Island Maori extol efficiency and strategic thinking. They had no choice but to... No wonder they practically fought the British to a standstill. And my Russian Afghan war vet friend Yuri - lurking on this list somewhere or accessing it somehow - admires them saying that Soviet Communism could have learned immensely from them as they - like so many strong tribalists, past, present and accounted for - are the world's only true practising Anarcho-Communists. "They know how to look out for the interests of the collective and that the very existence and survival of the collective starts with individual and total commitment - love - for one another." This from a hard-bitten ex-KGB/SPETSNAZ political officer/expert on guerilla warfare is impressive praise indeed. "It is we who built those palaces and cities here in Spain and America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones. We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth.... We carry a new earth in our hearts." - Buenaventura Durruti y Domingo (1896- 1936), anarchist militia organizer in the Spanish Civil War, assassinated by 5th columnist fascists All of the above may seem long-winded and "off-the-wall" Off Topic, but I remind you that one reason I love language (and language play) is also part&parcel of my worldview which is interdependent with/on, YEP, duh, language... enuff said, never enuff ever done... --- *DiDJiBuNgA!!* --- Hanuman "Stitch" Zhang, ManglaLanger (mangle + manga + lang) Language[s] change[s]: vowels shift, phonologies crash-&-burn, grammars leak, morpho-syntactics implode, lexico-semantics mutate, lexicons explode, orthographies reform, typographies blip-&-beep, slang flashes, stylistics warp... linguistic (R)evolutions mark each-&-every quantum leap... languages are "naturally evolved wild systems... So language does not impose order on a chaotic universe, but reflects its own wildness back." - Gary Snyder "Some Languages Are Crushed to Powder but Rise Again as New Ones" - a chapter on pidgins and creoles, John McWhorter, _The Power of Babel: A Natural History of Language_ = ¡gw'araa legooset caacaa! ¡reez'arvaa. saalvaa. reecue. scoopaa-goomee en reezijcloo! = [Fight Linguistic Waste! Save, Salvage, Recover, Scavenge and Recycle!]