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Re: CHAT: closet conlanging >> definitions?

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Wednesday, January 13, 1999, 7:50
At 16:52 12/01/99 -0800, you wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Steg Belsky wrote: > >> I thought that "sodomy" meant _homosexual *rape*_, and not just sex >> between members of the same sex. Isn't the word based on the Biblical >> story of Lot and the Angels in Sdom, where Lot's evil neighbors told him >> to send out his guests, because they wanted to rape them? > >You have the etymology correct, but the actual *definition* of "sodomy" >depends on who you talk to, what part of the country, etc.. I have >heard all of the following as definitions of "sodomy": > >(1) Oral/anal/vaginal sex between people of the same sex (=3D homosexual >sex). > >(2) Oral/anal/vaginal sex between people of the same sex OR between >a person and an animal (=3D homosexual sex + bestiality). > >(3) Oral/anal sex, regardless of the gender of the participants, and >sometimes also including various kinds of foreplay (=3D non-procreative >sex, homosexual or heterosexual). > >(4) Oral/anal sex between two men. > >(5) Anal sex only, regardless of gender. > >(6) Anal sex only, regardless of gender, OR bestiality. > >(7) Anal sex between two men. > >As far as I know, nobody uses "sodomy" to refer specifically to acts >of rape. The intentions of the 'perpretrators' are unimportant. >In my experience, most anti-gay people are referring to (4) or (7) >when they use the term, even though (3) is probably the older sense. >Somewhere along the line, people went from thinking "sodomy" =3D >"non-procreative sex" to thinking "sodomy" =3D "gay sex". My desktop >dictionary adopts definition (6), but this is not the most normal usage. >Most people, I think, regard bestiality as being something separate from >sodomy (though they may feel that both are equally heinous...). > >Anti-sodomy statutes may be based on any one of the definitions >above. Most anti-sodomy statutes do not refer to the gender of the >participants, but a couple refer specifically to homosexual sex. As far >as I know, only gay men and lesbians have been prosecuted (persecuted) >under anti-sodomy laws in recent times. > >Matt. > >
In French, the word "sodomie" refers to 'anal sex' and that's all, regardless of gender and bestiality. Only anti-gay people refer to it only as anal sex between two men (there's been a renewal of such people since the beginning of the discussion on the PACS, did you hear about this in other countries?). At 14:17 12/01/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Thank you, And, for your kind response, and I'm glad to know life is more >civilized in Livagia. > >Best wishes, >Daniel >
I do too. Can I immigrate to Livagia and take the Livagian nationality? I happen to be gay also, without any problem to say it, when I'm asked to. I don't hide myself and my boy-friend is in the same school as me, and we don't hide ourselves. We never had any problem, at least in that school. What I wanted to say is an odd thing I saw since I began unhiding that I was gay: my friends all accepted my homosexuality without a problem, with only some surprise, but when I say I'm a conlanger, they look at me as if I was mad! (even my gay friends do that). I find this situation quite weird. After the Gay Pride, shall we have a Conlanger Pride? Christophe Grandsire |Sela Jemufan Atlinan C.G. "R=E9sister ou servir" homepage :