Re: Irish Pronunciation - Sligo's Connamara/Ulster mix (Was: RE: Viru s Translation Exercise)

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:51:07 -0000
Keith Gaughan <kgaughan@...> wrote:

Sorry for posting my description of Irish pronumciation under
a completely misleading subject (Virus translation exercise).
I did change it but obviously made some slip somewhere ;)


> I'd like to add one thing: from being down in Cork, I've noticed
> less of a tendancy to differenciate between slender and broad
> consonants. Cork people seem to pronounce everything as if
> they're not palatalised.
That's curious. I suppose you can get away with that kind of thing
if the context is clear (which is the main thinh I've learned from
looking at mandarin ;) )


> Just to compare and contrast, I'm adding my own dialect's
> pronunciations which is more like the Ulster dialect than
> Stephen's.
Ach, I don't really have a dialect, I'm just making it up ;)

> The `[' indicates the preceeding consonant is
> dental.

Yes, that's something I meant to mention, but missed out - that
you can use dentals instead of dental alveolar, and in fact
I do, but it slipped by me somehow -


> :/t_j/ is almost like /tS/ in my dialect, but I'll type
> it as /t_j/ anyway. Stephen's palatalised [d] seems to come out
> similar to this, but voiced.
>
> > "*All spik English?*"
> >  ...................
> >
> > "*All spik, sor*", arsa an Seanduine.
> >  ...............   ErsA An SAndIn_j@
>
>    ...............   Ersa An Sand[In_j@
>
> > Ansin   thug an duine   uasal mise   faoi deara  i  mo sheasamh ar chu'l an
> > AnSIn_j hug  An DIn_j@  uAsOl m_jIS@ fwe: d_jAr@ I  mo h_jAsAv  @4 xu:l  An
>   AnSIn_j hug  An d[In_j@ u:s@l m_jIS@ fwi: d_jAr@ i: mo h_jasev  Ar xu:l  An
my /D/ for [duine] was a typo - should have been /d/


> I've probably made mistakes in places, just that's the general
> sound of the wods in my dialect.
Interesting - I notice some general difference, such as most obviously your
use of /a/ in many places where I used /A/ (I never used /a/ apparantly...)
/A/ is a sound I associate particularily with Irish, so that probably
means I overuse it. You also use /i/ rather than /I/ a few times -

Was the pronunciation you gave above how you "would" say it - i.e. with
careful enunciation, or was it a transcription of what you said when
you were writing the mail (mine was the latter)?

How would you describe the pronunciations of [dh] and [gh], BTW? I'll
thoroughly confused myself on how to pronounce them ;)

OK, this is beginning to sound like a questionnaire ...!

stephen