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CHAT: Strictly CHAT: Infallibility

From:John Cowan <jcowan@...>
Date:Friday, April 14, 2000, 22:16
Raymond Brown wrote:

> [W]hen the Church solemnly > defines a doctrine to be held by all the faithful it will be preserved from > error, i.e. the infallibility of Mother Church is common to both traditions.
As I recall, the issue at Vatican I (1870) was whether: a) the infallibility of the Church just happened to be concentrated at the Bishop of Rome, de facto, or b) the infallibility of the Church implied a consequent infallibility of the Pope.
> Papal infallibility does _not_ mean a Pope says nothing wrong!
Indeed, only statements made: a) _ex cathedra_, in the Pope's capacity of Universal Doctor, and b) concerning faith or morals are said to be infallible. Any infallibility which might inhere in any other ex cathedra statements is a question. IIRC, the Popes have in fact made no such ex cathedra statements since 1870.
> In fact all priests in the Greek tradition hold the title :)
In the Discordian/Eristic tradition, we have the popehood of all believers and unbelievers. You can get an ID card saying so: The holder of this card is a genuine and authorized POPE. Please treat him or her as such. :-) -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! || John Cowan <jcowan@...> Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer)