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Re: OT: Corpses, etc. (was: Re: Gender in conlangs (was: Re: Umlauts (was Re: Elves and Ill Bethisad)))

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 9:29
Quoting Isidora Zamora <isidora@...>:

> Andreas wrote: > > >Swedish, of course, packs duplicate definite marking into every other > >sentence! > > How does it do that? I don't think I'm familiar with Danish doing anything > similar.
I think this particular nicety is restricted to Swedish and Norwegian. Well, say you've got a noun, f'rinstance _en bil_ "a car"; the definite form is _bilen_ "the car", with a suffix. If you instead had a nominalized adjective, say _en stor_ "a big one", the definite form uses the independent article instead; _den stora_ "a big one" (the final -a is just agreement). So far, so good. The weirdness starts when you make a adj-noun phrase; the definite form of _en stor bil_ "a big car" is _den stora bilen_ "the big car" with both independent and suffixed article. To further mess it up, the independent article tends to drop if the adj-noun phrase becomes a fixed expression; _Svenska akademin_ for instance. Obviously, adding a new adj causes the indep article to return _den ärevördiga Svenska akademin_. Andreas


Isidora Zamora <isidora@...>