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Re: Relative clauses

From:Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>
Date:Sunday, August 7, 2005, 10:28

Henrik Theiling <theiling@...> writes:
> Hi! > > I have a question: are there natlangs where in a relative > construction, the modified noun is part of the subordinate clause? >...
Thanks to all of you for the helpful replies! When I read 'internally headed' I had to bang my head against the wall -- of course! I did research about natlangs when I built this into Tyl Sjok. (Also, in Tyl Sjok, the referent is only optionally marked, so you can have sentences where you would have to use context to disambiguate. Further, order of embedding is unclear in Tyl Sjok -- like the Moro examples, or at least a bit similar.) I even analysed Japanese and Korean examples at that time. Serious black-out! Thanks a lot for helping out! :-) Another question: in Japanese, are there 'normal', externally headed relative clauses, too? If so, how is the selection of the type of relative clause motivated? And if not in Japanese, this question would for any language that has both types of relative clauses. I ask this because my newest conlang sketch S11 started with internally headed relative clauses, while I noticed now that it would also be capable of using Chinese-style relative clauses easily. I have the feeling that in S11, the internally headed ones are more poetic, while the externally headed onces can be identified by the first word, so the garden path possibilities are reduced. **Henrik