Hello people!
I'm spending some sort of a vacation here in Schoorl. There is a computer with
an Internet connection, but the modem is so awfully slow that it takes me an
average of fifteen minutes to open a message and fifteen more minutes to send a
reply (that sometimes doesn't reach its destination at all or sometimes reaches
it tenfold).
--- "Thomas R. Wier" wrote:
> Quoting Peter Clark <peter-clark@...>:
> > No, the point of this debate was to determine the probability of a
> > Slavic-Romance language.
Which was exactly my point in inventing Slovanik. The language will be there
anyway, no doubt about that, but I am merely looking for a way to make it
historically as plausible as possible.
> > It just got off on the wrong foot by my incorrect
> > association of the Roman Empire with Latin-speaking Rome proper. Yes, the
> > Slavs were close to Roman territory, as you effectively pointed out. No,
> > they were not close to *Latin*-speaking Roman territory, as I pointed out.
> > We are violently agreeing. :)
> No, we're really not. My assertion has been that the Byzantines were
> merely a continuation of Roman rule, which is how most modern historians
> take it. In the East, there were significant populations of Romance
> speakers, especially in the trans-Danube region but also all throughout
> Dalmatia. Indeed, one might even say that Romanian, Dalmatian, Aromanian,
> and Megleno-Romanian are all to varying degrees Romance languages with
> significant Slavic sub- and super-strates. (It's often impossible to
> tell the difference between them, and the terms "substrate" and
> "superstrate" probably serve only to conceal the complexity of the
> social relationships.)
As I understood about the early history of the South Slavs, they overruled the
whole Balkan peninsula (including Romania and Greece) and assimilated part of
its population. Only in Albania the native Illyrian/Albanian population
retained its language.
On the long term, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria remain Slavic, while in Romania the
Romance population kept silent for a long time and later (mysteriously)
reappeared on the map.
Jan
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"Originality is the art of concealing your source." - Franklin P. Jones
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