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Re: Term for Possessive Structure (was: Types of Possession)

From:ROGER MILLS <rfmilly@...>
Date:Monday, January 14, 2008, 21:29
Charlie wrote:
>I have decided to use a construct state to indicate possession by an >animate agent. Now I'm looking for a grammatical term to describe >this specific kind of possession. > >"Alienable vs. inalienable" doesn't apply because one can say `angar >venkos,' the courier's message, as well as `angar kaflos,' the >courier's head. `Angar' would be the construct form of `angarus.' The >construct form is the root of the word. > >In keeping with its use with animate agents, one would also >say, `vaas kaflos,' the vulture's head (vaas < vaases), and `dor >vaalos,' the tree's leaf (dor < doris). > >Likewise with certain natural phenomena which are viewed as animate, >e.g., `suul lheras,' the sun's heat (suul < suules). > >Possession by an inanimate object would continue to be expressed by >the genitive case, e.g., eensosyo acos,' the sword's point. > >Any suggestions as to what I could call this type of possession?
This is quite similar to possession in Kash, except there, it's the other way around-- animate possessors (including some natural phenomena) use the genitive, inanimates use a different construction, with a little ambiguity involving "intrinsic" parts of things-- pundula karuni ..........karun-i palace duke-gen 'the duke's palace' apasan lerowi aN-fasan lero-i NOML-hot sun-gen heat of the sun ateleçni pundula altel-ç-ni... room-PL-3sPOSS(=its) palace rooms of the palace but: nihin lacayi top table-gen 'top of the (specific) table' OR nihiñi laca nihin-ni ... top-its table (or maybe this means 'top of a table (generic)'-- hmm, hadn't occurred to me!! OTOH nihiñi laca yu [+def] could also mean 'top of the (spec.) table'-- as they say, all grammars leak :-)))) But I have no technical term for this distinction; just "animate vs. inanimate possession" on the theory that inanimate things cannot truly "possess" anything.