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Re: New Language: Zhyler (Noun Classes)

From:Roger Mills <romilly@...>
Date:Thursday, April 11, 2002, 4:45
Christophe Grandsire wrote:

>En réponse à David Peterson <DigitalScream@...>: >> Rivers would have gone into the "non-living, indestructible" class, >> and >> roads into the "can't lift" class. I thought about what you were >> saying, >> though--like the Japanese classifier "han" (I still don't understand how >> that >> works in Japanese. It doesn't have noun classes, does it?). > >Not really. Japanese uses the classifiers only with numerals (and I think
with
>the interrogative when asking "how many/much?"). Also, the classifiers
apply
>only to some words (referring to objects with certain properties of
flatness,
>length, circular shape, etc...), while all the others are conflated into >a "everything else" class which is much more important than all the other >classes together. This is in my opinion the only reason why it cannot be
called
>a class system. >
Indonesian and its relatives also has classifiers; usage similar to what you say for Japanese. Huge lists of them in the older grammars-- though it seems they're not much used in modern speech. They're generally fairly logical: rambut (hair) for hair like things (but Makassarese lísere? 'seed' here) ekor (tail) for animals (this varies in other langs; Buginese e.g. uses aju 'wood' for buffaloes, but something else for other animals like chickens and dogs.) potong (cut) for slices of things buah (fruit) for smallish round things; it's also the catchall class now-- 2 buah rumah '2 houses' there's also one for paper and other sheet-like things (lembar?), not sure....