Confused about the T-shirt (was: I won't start a flame war)

At 6:01 pm -0500 10/11/99, Nik Taylor wrote:
>Raymond Brown wrote:
>> To omit it from a list of conlangs is IMHO simply ignoring history and
>> being petty minded.
>
>Except that this T-shirt was supposed to be a product of the list, a
>collection of translations in the conlangs of the list members.
Fair enough - if that is the case.

I know I wasn't here at the start of the T-shirt business, but I'd
understood that it was, e.g. going to include Quenya as an example of a
'Tolklang'; that someone was producing the Solresol version on the musical
stave etc etc. Neither Tolkien nor Sudre were members of this list.

My intention was - and still is - to support what seems to me Don's
eminently sensible suggestion re auxlangs (except I added Solresol).

If I've misunderstood, then I apologize.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

But at 6:59 pm +0000 10/11/99, Fabian wrote:
[....]
>-->
>
>Like it or not, Esperanto shall be present. I don't care what you think on
>that point. Otherwise...
>
>-hey fred, cool T-shirt! Whats it about?
>-its about artificial languages...
>-so wheres that famous one, whats it called, Esperanto?
>-well, actually...
>
>See? Esperanto is one or the more famous conlangs around.
Now I'm REALLY confused.

Isn't Fabian the one actually responsible for this T-shirt?

Or have I misunderstood that also!

What Fabian says above is no more & no less what I said.  I have no
interest whatever in auxlang-politics; but, like Fabian (it seems), I think
the " - well, actually.... " bit will make conlangers sound pretty pathetic.

[....]
>
>I am not entertaining such arguments on which auxlangs may be included.
>However, I did invite people to send me descriptions of these
>romance-aux-langs so that I could make a better judgement about which ones
>might be excluded if necessary. So far, no one has sent such a description
>in a readable format.
Come on, Jay.  Let Fabian know about yours.  If a romance-aux-lang is to be
included, let's have one of our list member's!

Ray,
Slightly confused - and really not wanting any flame-war.


=========================================
A mind which thinks at its own expense
will always interfere with language.
                   [J.G. Hamann 1760]
=========================================