Re: Concept_sitting
From: | R A Brown <ray@...> |
Date: | Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 20:23 |
Veoler wrote:
> love (v) = 'like' + 'very (much)'
>
> would be my suggestion.
>
That doesn't work for me at all. Sure, it makes it a darn sight easier
to love my neighbor if I happen to like him/her; but I will still try to
love him/her even if I don't particularly like him/her. To me 'love' and
'like' are quite distinct concepts.
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David J. Peterson wrote:
> The task you're doing can be done to any concept pretty much
> however you see fit. If "rain" is "sky + water", perhaps "sky" is
> "up + air".
True - the splitting could in fact go on ad_infinitum. We could
certainly split 'air' and, I guess, if one wanted to, it wouldn't be too
difficult to split 'up'. 'water', of course, can be readily split.
>All of this, however, will depend upon the frame of
> mind one is examining the lexicon from (as well as the lexicon
> itself). There is no "split" that will be true for all people or all
> languages.
Exactly - not even for all speakers of the same language.
> What's this for? Why does "love" need to be split up? Here are
> some possible splits for love:
>
> desire + empathy
> desire + care
> eros + jealousy
> fear + compassion
>
> I can come up with an argument for pretty much anything. (Not
> that I agree with any of them.)
>
Quite so - nor do I agree with any of them. By splitting 'love' in any
way you want one is, in fact, restricting its meaning in a fairly
arbitrary and certainly personal way. Nor is one significantly reducing
ambiguity as the two elements into which 'love' is split still have wide
ranges of meaning.
Personally, I don't see how such splitting can ever be culturally
neutral. Also I wager that any such splitting will produce some results
at least that will seem very odd to people into, say, two or three
generations time.
The search for the so-called 'semantic primes' is not trivial. That is
not to say a person should not try it - but they must realize (a) it is
not a trivial exercise and (b) the result will almost certainly not be
culturally neutral.
Ray
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