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Phoenician Indonesia (Was: etymology of ketchup/catsup?

From:Roger Mills <romilly@...>
Date:Friday, July 14, 2000, 17:20
Barry Garcia wrote:
>Oh that page is funny, especially the vocabulary bits. I just love the >connection of "asam" with "asem". Not surprisingly it looks alot like the >Tagalog root for sourness, "asim" (maasim - sour) .
As well it should, since Ml. asam, Tag. asim, Jav. as@m (and many others, tho Dempwolff cites only 1 (irreg.) Oceanic cognate) regularly reflect AN *qasem (_e_ represents schwa) or in Zorc's more recent version *qalsem-- the *-l- or ?*-al- may have been an optional infix; other PI langs. retain it e.g. Iloc. alsem, Bicol alsum, Ibanag attam. The *-l- may be a feature of Proto Philippine (assuming ALL (or most) PI languages have a common source, still a controversial view). Zorc develops Tag. as follows: *qalsem > **qa( )sem > á:sim-- though, ignoring other PI forms, it could equally well reflect *qasem. The difficulty with the Egyptian connection ("alloyed metal"), needless to say, is that it requires a certain leap of semantic faith, as the AN word seems to have meant only 'sour'.
> Tagalog in fact will >often change /e/ to /i/: babae - babae + ng - babaing. >
My impression is the /e/ is rather rare in native Tag. vocabulary; historically this word was probably **babai, with sporadic lowering of the unstressed /-i/ in a word of some frequency ('woman'). Lots of Spanish words with /e/ were borrowed in Tag. and elsewhere with /i/-- likely the earliest borrowings, before massive borrowing from Span.(and later Engl.) introduced phonemic /e/ and non-final /o/.
>Anyway, question for romilly: does "araw" (day, sun in Tagalog) descend >from the AN "waRi", if so, i'm wondering how it got to "araw" (any ideas?, >though i know you focus in Indonesian).>
Nope. There were at least 2 AN words for 'day/sun'; the other was *qaljaw-- that *-(a)l- "infix" again, mainly attested in the PI and Formosa, lots of IN langs suggest an optional nasal, ?*qa(n)jaw; along with difficult *j. Again, Zorc proposes PPh *aljaw > Pre-Tag **aldaw > **a( )daw > á:raw. The normal Tag. reflex of *j is (intervocalic) -l-, final -d, apparently blocked in this case by the early cluster. Note Bisayan adlaw, with regular metathesis of **-ld-. It's possible *qaljaw referred to daylight, daytime, while *waRi was more specifically sun/sunlight; its modern reflexes frequently mean 'to dry in the sun' or some such, but that's speculation. Both words are widely attested in all the major areas (Formosa, PI, IN, Oceanic).