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Re: Are conlangs fictional?

From:John Cowan <jcowan@...>
Date:Friday, March 22, 2002, 11:35
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> (is there "fictional" music?)
Sure. In Thomas Mann's novel _Doktor Faustus_, we have the fictional composer Adrian Leverkuehn and his fictional compositions. Mann did not write a note of these, yet he does refer to them within the novel, so they are as fictional as Adrian himself. What's more, fictional Adrian also invents the system of 12-tone composition, which in the Real World was invented by Arnold Schoenberg. (S. made a fuss about this, and Mann inserted a note into the preface.) Note that if I published musical compositions by Leverkuehn, I would be at best committing another fiction, or at worst deceiving the public. Those works would be by someone else altogether (me, perhaps, or even Mann, but not Leverkuehn). Douglas Hofstadter discusses the case of A, who is writing a novel in which appears the fictional character B, who is writing a novel in which appears the fictional character C, who is writing a novel in which appears the fictional character A! Is this possible? Why, yes; all three characters are mere fictions in the novel written by D.
> or parrots.
Parrots??? -- John Cowan <jcowan@...> http://www.reutershealth.com I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan han mathon ne chae, a han noston ne 'wilith. --Galadriel, _LOTR:FOTR_