On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:52:30 -0600, Peter Clark <peter-clark@...>
wrote:
>On Friday 29 November 2002 02:17 pm, Doug Dee wrote:
>> Do you think any of the words Elgin created for Laadan filled a
>> significant gap?
>> (If you don't have the grammar, there's a sample of Laadan words at
>>
>>
http://www.sfwa.org/members/elgin/nativetongue/laadansampler.html
>>
>> Obviously, not all of them are intended to fill gaps in English -- we
>> already have a word for "butterfly," for example -- but do you think any
>> of them would fill a gap?
>
> I printed out a copy and handed it to my wife, asking her to
>comment on them.
>Her comments are below the word; "No" indicates that she doesn't feel the
>word is needed or important, "Yes" indicates that it might be needed or
>important, "Yes!" indicates her feeling that it would be very nice to have
>such a lexical item. "-" means "neither here nor there, no opinion." I
>removed words that already have English counterparts.
>---
>dólhorado to dominate with evil intent
What's needed is a term for someone in the habit of accusing others
(e.g. men) of dólhorado.
>
>doóledosh pain or loss which comes as a relief because it brings to an end
>the anticipation of its arrival
yes
>
>doólelasholan alone at last, after putting up with tiresome people
This one seems generally useful, especially for those eager to see
if there are any new messages on the Conlang list!
>
>honáal the hours between midnight and dawn
(looking forward to the dawn)
>
>lirini an achievement that seems small to other, but means a lot to the
>achiever
maybe
>
>méhéna compassion despite negative circumstances
Doesn't compassion always apply to negative circumstances?
>
>móna compassion for foolish reasons
Huh?
>
>múna compassion for bad reasons
likewise.
>
>nehena contentment despite negative circumstances
How much does it cost per bottle?
>
>niná the one responsible
Only if Nina's responsible.
>
>ninálh the one to blame
Usually same as 2nd person pronoun.
>
>núháam to feel oneself cherished, cared for, nurtured by someone
What's the negative form?
>
>óothanúthul spiritual orphanhood; being utterly bereft of a spiritual
>community
Yes, definitely.
>
>radena unfriendliness for good reasons
yes
>
>radíidin non-holiday, a time allegedly a holiday but actually so much a
>burden because of work and preparations that it's a dreaded occasion;
>especially when there are too many guests and none of them help
No, and the guests would just get in the way.
>
>radodelh non-interface, a situation which has not one single point in
>common on which to base interaction, often used of personal relationships
How about a non-interface despite points in common? Or interaction
with only negative points in common?
>
>rahéena non-heart-sibling; one so entirely incompatible with another that
>there is no hope of ever achieving any kind of understanding or anything
>more than a truce, and no hope of ever making such a one understand why
>(does not mean "enemy")
Too bad you didn't post this list yesterday; I could have used that
this morning! Of course the other person (a woman) wouldn't have understood
what I meant!
>
>rahom to non-teach; to deliberately fill students' minds with empty data or
>false information
Possibly; a more useful word would mean to fill students' minds with
empty data or false information because the teacher's own mind is filled
with empty data or false information. Sorry, the examples that come readily
to mind are mostly OT.
>
>ralith to deliberately refrain from thinking about something, to wall if
>off in one's mind by deliberate act
I don't think this can be done! But if I'm wrong, can somebody teach
me how?
>
>rarulh non-synergy, that which when combined only makes things worse
Yes, definitely!
>
>rashida non-game, a cruel "playing" that is a game only for the dominant
>player who has the power to force others to participate
Depends on how you define "dominant" and "force".
>
>rathom non-pillow; a "lean on me so I can step aside and let you fall"
This part isn't gender-specific.
>person sham love for the child of one's body, presupposing neither love
>nor respect nor their absence
>
>shol absence-of-pain
Fantasy.
>
>wonewith to be socially dyslexic; uncomprehending of the social signals of
>others
Someone would probably use that to describe me.
>
>wóo evidence morpheme indicating the speaker/writer's total lack of
>knowlege as to the validity of what is said or written
Used very frequently, I'd imagine.
>
>---
.....
> I'd still like to hear from some women on the list if they have
>any opinion about it, but so far it doesn't seem as though there are any
>significant gaps to be filled.
> :Peter
Anonymous, in case of flames.