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Re: Request for help, Spanish

From:R. Nierse <rnierse@...>
Date:Monday, October 11, 1999, 8:30
> Van: Thomas R. Wier <artabanos@...> > Aan: Multiple recipients of list CONLANG <CONLANG@...> > Onderwerp: Re: Request for help, Spanish > Datum: maandag 11 oktober 1999 10:04 >
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> > I like [sju'a], but it depends on how far in future you want to
put
> > this language. [sju'a] is more likely to be recent than old. For an > > older stage of the language, I'm thinking of something like: > > [sju'a]->[Su'a]->[Sua]->[Swa]. The change [sj]->[S] is very likely to > > happen IMHO, as it generally happens also synchronically (try to > > pronounce very fast a word with [sj] -I can't come up with one at the > > moment-). In fact, I even think that it could happen at the same time
or
> > even before the loss of intervocalic stops, so [Su'a] would be more > > likely than [sju'a], even at an early stage of the language. > > Right, BUT: palatalization is, I think, dependent in large part on the > amount of aspiration giving to the consonant involved. For example, > in Phaleran, dialects which highly aspirated _tyei_ (2nd person singular/ > plural exclusive pronoun) and related forms shifted the initial
consonants
> to [tS], while those which kept the old Phaleran three way contrast > of /d/ : /t/ : /th/ preserved the [ty] cluster. >
Looks like Arawak: ti -> [tji] thi -> [tSi]
> So, if your /s/ is highly aspirated, then that would be a reason to > think it would shift to [S] before [i] or [e]. Otherwise, you might > want to keep it as is. > > (Okay, okay: that argument's kinda absurd, since it's arguing from a > conlang. Details, details...) >
Not so absurd. It happens in natlangs too ...
> ======================================================= > Tom Wier <artabanos@...> > ICQ#: 4315704 AIM: Deuterotom > Website: <http://www.angelfire.com/tx/eclectorium/> > "Cogito ergo sum, sed credo ergo ero." > > Denn wo Begriffe fehlen, > Da stellt ein Wort zur rechten Zeit sich ein. > -- Mephistopheles, in Goethe's _Faust_ > ========================================================