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Re: racist vs racialist?

From:Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 13:00
Tristan wrote:
>Andreas Johansson wrote: > >>What's wrong with "islamism"? The word, not the phenomenon, that is. > >Honest question here: is Islamism a (redundent) word for 'Islam', or >does it mean discrimination against/within/between Islamic >faiths/adherents thereof?
Well, the way I learnt it, it's neither. It denotes a political movement or ideology that wishes to give Islam, usually in a strict and conservative interpretation thereof, a dominant role in politics and society. Islamists typically want to have the Sharia as the foundation of secular law.
>And John Cowan took it upon himself (or perhaps someone else, but to the >same effect) to type: > >>This is an equivoque on the two meanings of "racism": personal distrust >>or hatred of members of other races vs. institutionalized discrimination >>based on race. I myself find it leads to fewer confusions if "racism" >>is used in the latter sense only, which means indeed that whites are not >>subject to racism anywhere (AFAIK; Haiti is a special case). For the >>other sense I speak of "race hatred". >> >What about that stuff that happened with the white farmers in that >African country whose name eludes me? Isn't that institutionalised >discrimination based on race?
You're thinking of Zimbabwe. And while dissident blacks (including black commerical farmers) also are getting represed, I think it's fair to say that Zimbabwe's white are being subjected to both kinds of racism defined above. Tangentially, I, when feeling the need for a distinction, would ratherreserve "racism" for what Mr Cowan calls "race hatred", and use "racial discrimination" for the institutionalized discrimination. Andreas _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail