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Re: Bowtudgelean

From:Jeffrey Jones <jsjonesmiami@...>
Date:Sunday, April 27, 2008, 21:04
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:06:11 -0400, Carl Banks
<conlang@...> wrote:
> >Bimo, dorahay, > >I have a brief description of Bowtudgelean (version 0.1) at >http://www.aerojockey.com/blog/bowtudgelean1.html > >I'm curious how common some of my "innovations" are. I've read a lot of >conlang archives and never saw much discussion about these particular ideas. > >1. Bowtudgelean has ten states of definiteness. Most languages only >distinguish between definite and indefinite; mine distinguishes >different types of definiteness and inflects nouns, pronouns, and >adjectives accordingly: > >First Person: is or includes the speaker >Second Person: is or inlcudes the listener
I don't understand how these are used.
>Nominal: the word is a name >Referred: something recently spoken of
These are clear.
>Indicated: a limiting adjective (or phrase) follows
This seems to be purely a matter of morphosyntax, with no pragmatic component.
>Local: the thing is near the speaker >Remote: the thing is distant from the speaker
Demonstratives -- clear.
>Past: the thing happened in the past >Future: the thing happened in the future
These seem to be tenses and independent of the noun being definite. (OT: it seems that the English past tense marker is reverting to an aspect marker, but perfective rather than perfect.)
>Indefinite: indefinite
Clear.
>Adjectives agree with nouns and pronouns in state. That's why there is >a first person state: the adjective gets a different state ending in >that case. There are no nouns in first person state of course (except >for appositives; but appositives take adjectival endings). > >I got this idea from Arabic, which has three states. (Though it's not >the same thing, because the construct state in Arabic carries no >semantic value. Still, construct is somewhat comparable to indicted >state in Bowtudgelean.) > > >Carl Banks

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