Re: |c| in Volapük

On Wednesday, February 23, 2005, at 01:25 , Mark J. Reed wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 07:30:10PM -0500, Thomas Leigh wrote:
>>    So, apparently, in the original (Schleyer's) language it was [dZ],
>> then it
>>    was  changed  to  [tS]  and  remains  so  in de Jong's revision of the
>>    language.
>
> I see.  That presumably also applies to |z| = [dz]/[ts], then?
In Joahann Martin Schleyer's original version (1879):
|c| = [dZ]
|j| = [S]
|s| = [s], but [z] when added to voiced sounds as the plural endings
|x| = [ks]
|z| = [ts]

In Arie de Jong's revision (1931):
|c| = [tS] or [dZ]
|j| = [S] or [Z]
|s| = [s] or [z]
|x| = [ks] or [gz]
|z| = [ts] or [dz]

De Jong's revision is interesting in that it is one of a very few
revisions of a language being immediately accepted and remaining virtually
stable thereafter.

Interestingly, in 'Novial Lexike' (1931) Otto Jespersen gave his Novial:
|ch| = [tS] or [S] (the only use the letter |c|)
|j| = [dZ] or [Z]
|s| = [s] or [z]
|sh| = [S]
|x| = [ks] or [gz]
The letter |z| was not used, and under |ch| Jespersen explicitly stated:
"Insted _ch_ on pove skripte _sh_".

When efforts were made in 1998 by some on the Auxlang list to revive
Novial, I proposed:
The abolition of the digraphs |ch| and |sh|
|j| = [S] or [Z}
|s| = [s] or [z]
|x| = [ks] or [gz]

Alas, there was no Arie de Jong there, and the reforms broke up into at
least four factions trading insults with each another (I have a copies of
"The North Wind and the Sun" in the Novial of 1930/31, and in four
different neo-Novial versions from 1999). As some know, that was what
finally turned me off all auxlang politcking.

Ray
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