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Re: CONLANG Digest - 14 Nov 2001 to 15 Nov 2001 (#2001-320)

From:Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>
Date:Monday, November 19, 2001, 14:35

=?windows-1250?Q?=A3ukasz_Korczewski?= <lucasso@...> writes:
> > right, i'm aware of this, but i like the idea of the loss of the quantity in > favour of the quality and i pay attention only to this side of the matter. > and so i did comparing my system of phonemes with the one of german.
Yeah. It's very realistic. I think Dutch works this way: many `long' vowels are really short (only in front of {r} they are long and {a} is always long, I think. Maybe the rules are more complicated). The quality difference matters in Dutch. I had quite a hard time learning that. :-) `vies' vs. `vis': [v_0is] vs. [v_0Is]
> do you mean [E:] -> [e:]?
> > Well, almost, yes. The [a]-[A:] opposition is found in coastal > > dialects in the north only (e.g. in Hamburg) for /a/-/a:/. They > > almost have [{]-[A:] there and possibly even use [{] for /6/: > > interesting, my Langenscheidts Taschenwoerterbuch (that's my only current > source with IPA) has definitively [a] when short and in diphtongs and [A] > when long or halflong
Really?! I thought Langenscheidt was quite reliable. I'm sure that's only true in coastal regions (for High German). Standard High German has [a]-[a:]. **Henrik