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OT: Web standards & browsers (Was: Chelume - My Conlang website up.)

From:Caleb Hines <cph9fa@...>
Date:Thursday, January 8, 2004, 23:43
Okay, so what exactly should I change to make it more cross-browser
friendly / standards compliant? Are frames alright? Is CSS alright?
Apparently (see below) the XML's hopeless.

> Mozilla (or the Netscape derivative > for that matter) has, of course, no > problems with frames. However, [insert > fundamentalist counterargument here]. > CSS floats can probably be used instead > of frames.
Really? We never even discussed floats in my class. I know what the basic idea is, but I'd have to stop and search for info on CSS to be able to use them. I still don't understand what's wrong with frames, though.
> I'd rather say "darn IE" since it's IE > which is not following standards, rather > than other browsers.
I don't doubt it. I'm *no* Windows lover! (only a Windows user)
> Rather, you should keep with the standards. > They are there for a reason. Not so many > people use IE as you might think (not a > problem for me, Opera shows up the page > perfectly).
Which standards? In particular, where did I break the standards? My web programming teacher never mentioned much about standards at all. He just showed us how to do a bunch of stuff (I loved the class, but he was a terrible teacher!). The one time he did mention various browsers I think he said that IE had some 95% of the market, followed by Netscape with 5% and that there was a third European browser (he couldn't remember the name, but a student mentioned it was Opera) with less than 1%. But I've known him to be wrong on several occasions before, so it wouldn't surprise me in this case either. But a question: I do use IE b/c its what I have and its what I'm most familiar with. Its apparently also what many other people use, who don't have these other browsers (the exact %-age doesn't matter, I'm sure its a majority at any rate, even if a shrinking one). If I conform to these standards, (whatever they are) will I make the pages unreadable to IE? I would at least like to be able to read my own pages. Case in point: see below about XML.
> It does, [show only the XML source] > but through no fault of your own > (unless you're the server admin) > ...apparently your webserver isn't > configured to know what XML is and > serves it as "text/plain".
I'm not the server admin. But that doesn't make sense. If theres a server problem, then why can I see the transformed document just fine, on any computer I've used?
> A lose-lose situation. IE will only > parse the XML/XSLT when served as > text/xml; Mozilla and derivatives only > when served as application/xhtml+xml > (the standard, of course).
-sigh- So much for using XML. And I was so excited about using it, too. I guess I'll switch back to HTML after all. Maybe in another half-decade or two these kind of problems will be ironed out. :(
> I say darn M$ > > James W. a die-hard Mac user.
I say so too, nevertheless, IE's all I've got at the moment. ~Caleb... A Windows user who likes Linux better in theory, but can't get the GUI or Modem to work right with it. But that's a whole 'nother story...


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