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Re: Phaleran Update: Language game; Alienable and inalienablepossession

From:Thomas R. Wier <trwier@...>
Date:Monday, May 20, 2002, 2:13
Quoting Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>:

> "Thomas R. Wier" wrote: > > (4) eluo kwâl > > city.ABS ward-3Sg > > 'the city's ward' > > (6) hwânto titlîna > > 1Sg.INST PL.bear.ABS > > 'my blackbears' > > So, the verb would agree with the possessor in inalienable constructs, > but the possessed in alienable ones?
No. I should have glossed (4) better as (10): (10) eluo kwâl city.ABS ward.3Sg.ABS 'the city's ward' Possession is only in partial complementary distribution with case. "ward" in this example happens to be in the absolutive case, which is almost always a zero-morph. If the noun surfaces with an oblique case, the possessive marker goes either before or after depending on dialect: (11) Puna aiandri eluo kwâluo umparinnen boys that-INV-FOR city ward.3Sg.DAT reside.INTR.3PlPfRe.SEN "I'm given to understand that the boys lived in that ward of the city." So, when the possessed noun takes on a subjective case, either ergative or absolutive, it will agree with that noun: (12) Kwiltrânâs balyei Phrâstyumenento dissent.AG.PL.BEN pogrom.ABS Council-of-20.INST klortabronten order.DETR.3SgPfRe.Quot 'A pogrom of dissidents was ordered by the Coucil of Twenty.' (Some examples come from Phaleran history; sometimes the benefactive case can be used for possession if someone is greatly affected by the "possession".) (13) Dessâ eultânal eluowo xoltiswannen. king.ABS slave.PL.3Sg city.DAT transport.TR.3Pl "The king's slaves were transported to the city." Note that even though in both (12) and (13) the two NPs differ in number, it is always the possessed noun that wins out. ===================================================================== Thomas Wier "...koruphàs hetéras hetére:isi prosápto:n / Dept. of Linguistics mú:tho:n mè: teléein atrapòn mían..." University of Chicago "To join together diverse peaks of thought / 1010 E. 59th Street and not complete one road that has no turn" Chicago, IL 60637 Empedocles, _On Nature_, on speculative thinkers