Theiling Online    Sitemap    Conlang Mailing List HQ   


From:Raymond A. Brown <raybrown@...>
Date:Wednesday, October 21, 1998, 6:00
At 3:57 pm -0700 20/10/98, JOEL MATTHEW PEARSON wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, R. Skrintha wrote, talking about Hindi: > >> Btw, there are some ergative-like sentences also for perceptional/mental >> verbs/emotional verbs, wherein the ergative function is supplied by the >> formal dative case: >> >> mujhe yah maloom hai >> me-DAT this known is >> "I know this"
> >This isn't exactly an ergative construction, but rather a (probably) >related construction called the "experiencer dative".
And this isn't exactly the "experiencer dative", but I reminds of the North Walian construction which in the colloquial language has replaced the preterite (simple past) still used in the South. In the North they use 'ddaru' derived from 'darfod' "to happen" and the subject appears dative-like with the preposition 'i' "to", e.g. "They went" is - South Walian: fe aethon nhw WENT THEY [initial 'fe' is a "positive" marker] North Walian: ddaru iddyn nhw fynd HAPPENED TO THEM A-GOING (Preposition 'i' conjugates and, of course, 'mynd' mutates after the 'dative subject' :) It also means BTW colloquial north Walian can express all 'tenses' which are concerned with time only by means of auxiliary verbs. Ray.