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OT: "Burma" (no longer Re: OT: Latin subject-verb agreement)

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Saturday, December 29, 2007, 15:17
It may be a spelling pronunciation, but there's a purely phonetic
component as well, perhaps conditioned by exposure to English
exolects.  When i hear a non-rhotic English speaker say a word like
/bV:m@/, what I hear is "/br\=m@/ with a British accent", even without
ever seeing it written down.

On 12/29/07, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:
> Quoting "T. A. McLeay" <conlang@...>: > > > caeruleancentaur wrote: > > >> "T. A. McLeay" <conlang@...> wrote: > > > > > >> The Burmese words for "Burma" and "Myanmar" contain no /r/.* For > > >> instance, "Myanmar" is "Myanma" in Burmese, and "Burma" is "Bama". > > >> The <r> represents a low tone because low tones are long and > > >> long /a:/ is represented in non-rhotic English as <ar>. Americans > > >> pronounce an /r/ that does not exist in the original word, because > > >> it is based on an orthography not intended for them. > > > > > >> [*]: Historically the my- of "Myanmar" was mr- > > > > > > Fascinating! Who knew? But I'm wondering if we should limit the /r/ > > > to Americans. I copied the following from the Wiktionary entry. > > > > Unfortunately I can't read a lot of them (a lot have been turned into > > codes) but, I suppose, they've borrowed it from American English or > > they've borrowed it from English English and don't necessarily pronounce > > the /r/ or they've done the same thing as American English and > > misinterpreted the English transliteration. Given the Japanese "Biruma", > > the last one seems to be the most likely. > > For the European langs that use the spelling 'Burma' I'm willing to bet they > simply took the spelling from English English. In Swedish at least, the > pronunciation is simply derived from the spelling: [b8r\ma] (modulo > dialect). > This is the usual fate of the names of distant places in Swedish. > > More interesting are the forms like "Birmania" - was there perhaps an > English > alternative spelling 'Birma'? > > Andreas > > [snip] >
-- Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>