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Re: Greek Re: R: Graiugenic languages (was: Re: Another

From:John Cowan <jcowan@...>
Date:Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 20:49
Leo Caesius wrote:

> (though, I understand that there is one dialect > spoken in Greece which may be a pre-koine survival - off the top of my head, > I remember it being the Tsakonian, although I'm probably wrong).
Yes, Tsakonian is a direct descendant of Doric dialect. Here's what the Ethnologue ( says: # TSAKONIAN (TSAKONIA) [TSD] 300 shepherds (1981 J. Werner); 10,000 # (1977 Voegelin and Voegelin). Towns of Kastanitas, # Sitena, Prastos, Karakovonve, Leonidi, Pramatefti, Sapounakeida, # Tyros; eastern coast of Peloponnesos. Isolated in summer in the # mountains west of Leonidi in the eastern Peloponnesus; in winter # they descend to Leonidi and neighboring towns. Indo-European, # Greek, Doric. Dialects: KASTANITAS-SITENA, LENIDI-PRASTOS. # Derived from the Doric dialect spoken in Lakonia by # ancient Spartans. There were monolingual speakers in 1927. It is # not inherently intelligible with modern Greek (Voegelin and # Voegelin). Children attend Greek schools, including kindergarten, # in winter. Pastoralists. Survey needed. The other Greek languages mentioned by the Ethnologue (which takes "mutually intelligible" seriously, and as such is a "splitter") are Greek proper, Pontic Greek, and Romano- and Judeo-Greeks. -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! || John Cowan <jcowan@...> Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer)