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Re: Poijpohloneny

From:Jeff Jones <jeffsjones@...>
Date:Tuesday, June 10, 2003, 3:29
On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:30:01 -0400, Jonathan Andrew Beagley
<jbeagley@...> wrote:

>Jeff Jones wrote: >> >> :) I see that there's been a subsequent discussion of copulas. >> >Yes, there has! Now I have to decide who I believe!
That's always a problem here, plenty of equal and opposite expertise!
>>Hey, I noticed you have carymohloneny for the singular and carymonihloneny >>for the plural. "N" seems to be the plural suffix. What about the "i" >>after it? >> >You are correct, "n" is the plural suffix. As for the "i", well, the >Hloneny people don't particularly enjoy certain consonants being >together, so they put vowels between them (basically, if one of the >consonants isn't "j", then put an "i" in between the noun and the >adjective).
Makes sense. 'Yemls takes the opposite approach; some original vowels can be dropped if the adjacent consonants will fit together.
>>>What do you mean by "|o| and |a| are alternatives of the same vowel"? Do >>>you mean that they can have the same pronounciation (depending on what >>>follows, of course)? >> >>No, they are pronounced somewhat differently, as partly reflected in the >>forms |o| and |a|. Let's see if I can explain without being too wordy. >>'Yemls is normally written in a syllabary (one symbol per mora) that >>happens to map to the 52 upper and lower case letters. Each of these is >>either V, CV, or C(V). Ignoring the consonants, there are 4 basic vowels. >>The specific phonetics for each vowel depends on whether it's short or >>long or part of a diphthong. In addition, one of these vowels has rounded >>or unrounded versions depending on the following vowel (even where the >>following vowel isn't pronounced). Now, for people who don't read the >>syllabary, I have an alternate orthography designed to suggest the actual >>pronunciation without having to always specify each segmental feature (X- >>SAMPA does the latter). In my alternate orthography, the vowel with the >>rounding variations is written |o| when rounded (phonetically [O]) and |a| >>when unrounded (phonetically [V] or [A]). Example: the symbol {B} becomes >>either |bo| or |ba|. >> >Cool! Now I have to reread that a couple of times until I understand it. > :-D
Maybe we can find someone to translate it; this is the conlang list afterall!