Re: Pulse-Pounding Semantics Question

Jim Grossmann wrote:

> In the sentence "John sleeps," is "John"=20
> an experiencer or a patient?
Just the thing I'm working on for Rinya.
(Not that it matters there, because both
go under the case 'absolutive').

But my guess would be experiencer (EXP), since
'sleeping' doesn't involve a change of state.
At least to my knowledge that's one of the
differences between patient (PAT) and=20
experiencer.=20

On the other hand, if you look at Tokana,
'sleep' is defined as one of the verbs
"which denote conscious, volitional activities"
and "normally take an ergative subject". I.e.
the subject of 'sleep' is 'agent' (AGT).

Semantic roles are tricky business I guess.

It would be cool to be able to distinguish
between "to put to sleep" (i.e. anaesthetize),=20
"to fall asleep" and "to sleep" just using=20
different cases.
PAT =3D ABSolutive and AGT =3D ERGative

Examples:

1) I.ERG sleep him.ABS =3D I.AGT put him.PAT to sleep.
2) I.ERG sleep. =3D I.AGT sleep.
3) I.ABS sleep. =3D I.PAT fall asleep.=20

In 3) compare "John died" in which "John" is patient.

What do you think?

Daniel