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Swadesh: was: Re: Comparatives: was: Re: I came in late.

From:Boudewijn Rempt <bsarempt@...>
Date:Monday, July 26, 1999, 21:32
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On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Ed Heil wrote:

> Tan... obviously cognate with "than." Ever Swadesh Denden and > English? >=20
No, not Denden. But when I was rummaging around I found an old wp4 file with a 100-word Swades of Valdyan, Selang (a language done by Martijn Spruit who I used to know rather well - I've even written a grammar of his language for him) and a couple more mundane languages. A bit of conversion later (which especially mangled the Turkish and the Sanskrit)= , and a quick look in my dictionary file, and I had the enclosed (since the table is too wide to be included in the message itself).=20 A first eye-ball assessment of this data shows that Selang clearly is an Indo-European language with a lot of adstrate influence. On the basis of the personal pronouns Valdyan must be on the same level of Welsh - in order to determine the date of splitting, we have to count the cognates: 29, by applying the usual inspection method. The correct formula (according to Firestone 1965:41) is log Cognates T =3D ------- log Retention rate With a retention rate of 84%, according to Bynon (1977:255).=20 My mathematics isn't all it's cracked up to be - I have quite forgotten what exactly the retention rate for the formula is, and I'm not quite up to logarithmics, but, garbage in, conclusion out, and I have calculated that Valdyan and Welsh must have split 782 years and two month ago. I think there's something wrong with either the formula, or my application of it... All corrections welcome! A careful consideration of the data seems to indicate that English and Denden share six items of basic vocubulary: two - verai (w=3Dv) man - adan (an=3Dan) fish - qaush (sh=3Dsh) horn - herk (hVr=3DhVr) head - hod (hVd=3DhVd) eat - etet (Vt=3DVt) fire - perin (fVr=3DpVr) Which seems to put the split of Denden and English at about 10.000 years ago - the maximum time depth of glottochronology... Denden and Indo-European appear to be standing on equal footing, and the Denden evidence could perhaps be of great value to the Nostraticists, and might even be used when determining proto-World. --- Bynon, Theodora. 1977. Historical Linguistics, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press. Dappermann, Wilhelm. 1989. Indo-Europaischer Sprachwissenschaft: Ur-S lang bestudiert, Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter Firestone, Homer L. 1965. Description and Classification of Sirion=F3. The = Hague: Mouton and Co. Sl=FCtter, Joachim. 1988. 'Die ersten Delianer', Archeologia Mediterraniae 4: 7-26. Swadesh, Morris,'Towards Greater Accuracy in Lexicostatistic Dating,' International Journal of American Linguistics, XXI (1955) p 121. 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