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Re: Demotic/Koine/Prakit

From:John Cowan <cowan@...>
Date:Sunday, April 9, 2000, 20:07
And Rosta scripsit:

> What about the Yiddish of elsewhere in Eastern Europe? Had that died out > too? If it survived in some countries, did it survive more in cities or > in the countryside, and more in higher social strata or lower?
Standard Yiddish is a second-order koine of Eastern European Yiddish dialects, something like Polish vowels and Lithuanian consonants, IIRC (using these names in a purely geographical sense), or perhaps vice versa. Anyway, EEY survived when WEY did not because there were no neighboring Germanic languages to merge into: EEY was a set of Germanic islands in a Slavic ocean.
> Is the Yiddish spoken in America a survival from earlier immigration, or > is it a language revival/resuscitation?
Depends on the generation. Until ~ 10 years ago, purely a survival, and not a very thriving one at all. Now, young people are beginning to learn Y. as a 2nd language.
> ObConlang: Part of my reason for asking is I'm wondering what the Jewish > community in Livagia speak/spoke (immigrated in the 1930s; some migrated > to Israel after the war, and the rest have assimilated, except for the > very elderly).
If they came from Eastern Europe, then Yiddish. If from Western Europe, the local language (German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese) with a few Hebrew-derived vocabulary items. "In Western Europe, it was a sign of anti-Semitism to call a Jew a Jew, whereas in the belt of mixed populations [Central/Eastern Europe] the Jews were recognized by friend and foe alike as a distinct people." -- Hannah Arendt -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin