Re: Thorny issues
|From:||Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>|
|Date:||Friday, July 16, 2004, 6:21|
On Thursday, July 15, 2004, at 07:38 , Tristan Mc Leay wrote:
> Ray Brown wrote:
>> Yep - and up in Scotland, yogh and z seem to have got themselves
>> so we know have. e.g.
>> capercailzie /k&p@(r)'kejli/ a species of grouse
>> and the surnames:
>> Dalziel /di'El/
> Whoever thought that up?! silly orthographies :)
The Scots :)
>> Menzies /'mINIs/
>> Tho I gather the latter has acquired in spelling pronunciation /'mEzIz/
>> our former colonies :)
> More like /'menziz/ (or /mEnziz/ or however you want to think of it)
> where the /i/ is like -y, but I suppose you just accidentally forgot to
> type the /n/ and were thinking in RP.
I did forget the /n/ :=(
> (At least in this former colony
> that has had a Menzies as our head of Government.)
> But is it actually pronounced /'mINIs/ in England? I'd thought that was
> a Scotland-only thing...
'tis so. I don't know any Menzies who hail from south of the border, tho
they obviously exist. I suspect it depends on how Scottish they feel.
After all 'Dalziel' south of the border is still /di'El/; I've never heard
any spelling pronunciation used.
On Thursday, July 15, 2004, at 08:47 , B. Garcia wrote:
> Archibald Menzies was a botanist in the 1700's who introduced a good
> number of plants from California to Europe. His last name shows up in
> a lot of California native flora botanical Latin names:
> Arbutus menziesii - Madrone (related to the Strawberry tree of Ireland
> - Arbutus unedo)
> Pseudotsuga mensiesii - Douglas Fir
> Ribes menziesii - Canyon Gooseberry
> Nemophila menziesii - Baby Blue Eyes
> Tolmiea menziesii - Piggy Back Plant
> Erysmium menziesii - Menzies Wallflower (a very rare but pretty native
> Everyone i've heard pronounces it /mEnziEsiaj/,
Well, yes, */mINIziaj/ would be asking a bit too much for botanists who
have a hard time pronouncing their 'Latin' names at the best of times.
> and pronounces
> Menzies as /mEnziz/
As I said, it's /'mEnzIz/ or /'mEnziz/ in our former colonies :)
On Thursday, July 15, 2004, at 11:04 , j_mach_wust wrote:
> There's also a mention of "Menzies, Daiziel, Cockenzie, and the word
Ah, yes - gaberlunzie /gab@(r)'luni/ "a beggar's pouch", "a strolling
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