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Re: Thorny issues

From:Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Friday, July 16, 2004, 6:21
On Thursday, July 15, 2004, at 07:38 , Tristan Mc Leay wrote:

> Ray Brown wrote: >> Yep - and up in Scotland, yogh and z seem to have got themselves >> confused, >> so we know have. e.g. >> capercailzie /k&p@(r)'kejli/ a species of grouse >> and the surnames: >> Dalziel /di'El/ > > Whoever thought that up?! silly orthographies :)
The Scots :)
> >> Menzies /'mINIs/ >> >> Tho I gather the latter has acquired in spelling pronunciation /'mEzIz/ >> in >> our former colonies :) > > More like /'menziz/ (or /mEnziz/ or however you want to think of it) > where the /i/ is like -y, but I suppose you just accidentally forgot to > type the /n/ and were thinking in RP.
I did forget the /n/ :=(
> (At least in this former colony > that has had a Menzies as our head of Government.)
I know.
> But is it actually pronounced /'mINIs/ in England? I'd thought that was > a Scotland-only thing...
'tis so. I don't know any Menzies who hail from south of the border, tho they obviously exist. I suspect it depends on how Scottish they feel. After all 'Dalziel' south of the border is still /di'El/; I've never heard any spelling pronunciation used. ============================================================= On Thursday, July 15, 2004, at 08:47 , B. Garcia wrote: [snip]
> Archibald Menzies was a botanist in the 1700's who introduced a good > number of plants from California to Europe. His last name shows up in > a lot of California native flora botanical Latin names: > > Arbutus menziesii - Madrone (related to the Strawberry tree of Ireland > - Arbutus unedo) > > Pseudotsuga mensiesii - Douglas Fir > > Ribes menziesii - Canyon Gooseberry > > Nemophila menziesii - Baby Blue Eyes > > Tolmiea menziesii - Piggy Back Plant > > > Erysmium menziesii - Menzies Wallflower (a very rare but pretty native > plant) > > Everyone i've heard pronounces it /mEnziEsiaj/,
Well, yes, */mINIziaj/ would be asking a bit too much for botanists who have a hard time pronouncing their 'Latin' names at the best of times.
> and pronounces > Menzies as /mEnziz/
As I said, it's /'mEnzIz/ or /'mEnziz/ in our former colonies :) ========================================================================= ========= On Thursday, July 15, 2004, at 11:04 , j_mach_wust wrote: [snip]
> There's also a mention of "Menzies, Daiziel, Cockenzie, and the word > gaberlunzie".
Ah, yes - gaberlunzie /gab@(r)'luni/ "a beggar's pouch", "a strolling beggar" :) Ray =============================================== (home) (work) =============================================== "A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language." J.G. Hamann, 1760