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Re: re Germanic & Celtic

From:R A Brown <ray@...>
Date:Thursday, April 27, 2006, 18:11
Daniel Prohaska wrote:
> > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: "R A Brown" ray@CAROLANDRAY.PLUS.COM
> The word order of modern Breton is, in fact, V2 and I believe is so in the > revived form of Cornish known IIRC as 'Cornoack' or 'modern Cornish' - the > other revived forms of Kernewek retain the VSO order of Welsh & the Gaelic > languages. The modern Breton word order developed from the earlier VSO order > of insular Brittonic. Is it being suggested that the Germanic word order, > in main clauses, developed from an earlier VSO order or what? > [...] > Ray? > > -------------- > Ray, > I?m not too strong on the Breton side. I do know quite a bit about both > Revived and Traditional Cornish and the varieties of Revived Cornish (RC > henceforth) are V2 to a certain degree. The verbal syntax does not essentially > differ between the varieties of RC. > > I think you may be mistaking the so-called ?nominal sentence? for a V2 construction. > The nominal sentence is essentially a relative clause with the subject in > 1st position followed by a relative particle and (regardless of number and > person of the subject) the third person singular verb form.
I know, and I am not mistaking it as far as Breton is concerned. My knowledge of the varieties of RC is a bit shaky, however. [Cornish examples read with interest, but snipped except for..]
> <Me a wel an den.> > ?(it is) I that sees the man? = ?I (shall) see the man? > > This construction exists in Cornish, Breton and to my knowledge in the (moribund) > south eastern Welsh dialect of Gwent as well as in Middle Welsh literature.
Fi (a) weliff y dyn = _I_ shall see the man This exists in modern Welsh (the relative particle _a_ is normally dropped. But only for emphasis, it is not the normal word order. But in Breton _me a wel an den_ is the normal form for "I see the man." Other possible word orders are: an den a welan = I see _the man_. Gweled an den a ran. = To-see the man do-I = I _see_ the man. It's my understanding that *_welan an den_ is not used. -- Ray ================================== ================================== MAKE POVERTY HISTORY