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Re: CHAT: Conlanging has the Hacker nature? (was Re: CHAT: music // was Leaf script)

From:Adrian Morgan (aka Flesh-eating Dragon) <dragon@...>
Date:Monday, August 30, 2004, 17:58
Paul Bennett wrote:

> Interestingly, you've nailed the much more verbose description by Eric S > Raymond of what makes a truly great computer programmer/hacker. Also > listed among the traits are a tendency to be more liberal in sexual > attitudes,
[I'm tired, but I *HOPE* there are no mistakes] No comment (short answer: depends both on context and on who compared to), but the word for sex is one of the words that I'm most pleased with in my conlang. It's [a5'KE8], which I think is just the right sound (for a start, it has no unvoiced stops, which I consider quite out of place). Besides, it fits into the language. The sound [a5] is considered to have a masculine quality, because it features in the masculine familiar pronouns, etc, whereas the sound [E8] is considered to have a feminine quality for the same reason (which means that [a5'Ka5] and [E8'KE8] are probably slang terms for homosexual sex but that's not official). The forms for "Will you ... with me?" (I'm assuming familiarity) are: (male to female) Teqneqc alhleq li-man? /'tE8nE8S a5'KE8 l@man/ (female to male) Talneqc alhleq li-men? /'ta5nE8S a5'KE8 l@mEn/ taln/teqn = 2nd person* singular familiar (masc/fem) -eqc = nominative** future (-eq) question (-c) li- = with (in the sense of subject and object partaking equally and symmetrically in an action) man/men = 1st person* singular (masc/fem) * Call it a pronoun, article, determiner, whatever - the distinction doesn't exist but all noun phrases have one. ** Nominative determiner is marked by tense/mood suffix (nominative noun phrase, not verb, therefore carries primary tense info). The forms for "I desire that you ... with me. Will you?" are: (male to female) Maniu yara ad teqneqhs alhleq li-man. Teqneqc kket? /'mano 'jara ad 'tE8nE8T a5'KE8 l@man 'tE8nE8S xEt/ (female to male) Meniu yara ad talneqhs alhleq li-men. Talneqc kket? /'mEno 'jara ad 'ta5nE8T a5'KE8 l@mEn 'ta5nE8S xEt/ man/men = 1st person singular (masc/fem) -iu = nominative present yara = desire (the root is 'ya' meaning "want" - the infix 'r' in theory marks the persistent aspect ("persistently want") but in this and some other contexts has come to indicate an intensifying of meaning as in want->desire ad = subordinator for a subclause representing the object of a verb. Incidentally, if the verb ends with a consonant then this is attached as a suffix. taln/teqn = 2nd person singular familiar (masc/fem) -eqhs = nominative future (-eq) hypothetical scenario (-hs) kket = "do so" in this context, but there is no direct translation; think of it as a pronoun for verbs. Note that /E/ is realised as [&] after /x/. Adrian. P.S. Persistent aspect = _alhleraa_ /al'KEra:/ :-)


Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>