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Re: Paucity of Phonemes (was Re: Thagojian phonology...

From:Thomas R. Wier <artabanos@...>
Date:Saturday, February 26, 2000, 23:59
Kristian Jensen wrote:

> Nik Taylor wrote: > > >Kristian Jensen wrote: > >> where; /t[/ and /d[/ are laminal denti-alveolar, /L/ is a lateral > >> fricative, /3/ is a consonantal version of /@/ (schwa - or > >> more specifically a raised and centralized close-mid back > >> vowel). > > > >What? How can /@/ be pronounced as a consonant? > > Easy! Consider English /r/ and then the American English retroflexed > vowel in words like 'bird' and 'heard'. English /r/ could be seen as a > consonantal version of the retroflexed vowel.
That's true, but that doesn't change the fact that /@/ (as opposed to [@]) can't be a consonant. /@/ in most dialects either has no allophones at all, or can alternate only with another vowel, [V], but in no case that I know of can it be allophonically a consonant. Moreover, /r/, /r=/ and /@/ are all separate phonemes, with only the first, a retroflex approximant, being nonvocalic (approximants are technically neither vowels nor consonants). ====================================== Tom Wier <artabanos@...> ICQ#: 4315704 AIM: trwier "Cogito ergo sum, sed credo ergo ero." ======================================