Re: Topic and non-topic pronouns
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Does anybody know of any natlangs that use different third-person pronoun=
(and/or different pronominal agreement markers on verbs) to represent top=
Here's an example of what I have in mind. I'm assuming a verb morphology
that has the following order of morpheme slots: subject - tense - object =
stem (sort of like Swahili but without the noun classes). I'll abbreviat=
the subject and object agreement affixes as 3sT (third-person singular
topic) and 3sN (third-person singular non-topic). In both of the followi=
two examples, "the man" is the topic.
man 3sT-Past-3sN-see woman =3D "the man saw the woman"
man 3sN-Past-3sT-see woman =3D "the woman saw the man" or "the man was se=
This sort of like the proximate vs. obviative distinction in the Algonqui=
languages, but it's different in that it doesn't involve a chain-of-being
hierarchy and direct/inverse marking on verbs. It seems to me that this
accomplishes the same thing as a direct/inverse system (distinguishing
between the core arguments of a transitive verb without the need for eith=
case marking or fixed word order) with a lot less complexity.
I've already thought of ways to extend this system to include focus marki=
relative clauses, complement clauses, and indirect discourse, but they al=
depend on the initial premise that this kind of pronoun system is plausib=
Since I don't know of any natlangs that do this, I'm afraid that there ma=
be some deep language-universal reason why it's not plausible.
I think like you do about the 'unnatural nature' of this system. Only exam=
I'm thinking of in natlangs are intransitive anti-passive and reflexive fo=
'the cars sell well in Japan (*to customers)'.
'le poisson se mange le vendredi' (*par les gens)'
Most of my conlangs work like that :
(cases =3D a, i, u)
man A-see-I woman
the man sees the woman
man I-see-A man
the man is seen by the woman
me U[ man I-see-A woman]
I show the man to the woman
where A shows that the preceding actor is agent and I the next actor is
patient, and U temptative factitive ('quasi-ergative' ;-). Topic is either=
But I don't know any natlang working like that, as if volitive voice, case
role and topic are always linked somehow.
Charles' Tomato conlang works like that too :
man goto-V1 woman =3D 'the man goes-to the woman'
woman goto-V2 man =3D 'the woman attracts the man'
where the volitive is always suggested in the first actor (hence 'topic' ?=