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Re: Requesting some challenging sentences

From:Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...>
Date:Saturday, October 29, 2005, 15:58

Carsten Becker wrote:

> Hi! > > Sorry that I only write now, but I haven't been at home for > the past 5 days -- it was a very spontaneous decision, so no > notification of absence. > > On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, 23:38 CEST, Gary Shannon wrote: > > >> fascinating grammar! Would love to see where you go > >> with this. > > Seconded, it's definitely interesting! Did you update it? I > downloaded what you've typed up until then some months ago. > > > Curious that I could get this far on the grammar and > > never stop to consider transitive verbs!!! For some > > reason it never crossed my mind, and yet such simple > > utterences as "John gave the book to Mary" are pretty > > convoluted in the basic grammar. > > But that's a _di_transitive verb. You can avoid > ditransitives by dative movement. And IIRC applicatives > transform transitive sentences in intransitive ones. I > always forget what applicatives are and what they're > doing :( I only remember Henrik once explaining me it's > approximately the difference between "We speak about > the book" and "We 'bespeak' the book" (note that that's > grammatical in German).
An applicative raises an oblique argument to direct object, thus turning a ditransitive or intransitive clause into a (mono)transitive clause. Examples from German: Peter schenkt Paula ein Buch. -> Peter beschenkt Paula mit einem Buch. NOM DAT ACC NOM ACC Herr Reich-Ranitzki spricht über ein Buch. -> Herr Reich-Ranitzki bespricht ein Buch. NOM ACC But on the original subject: Now this is indeed challenging! Greetings, Jörg.


Gary Shannon <fiziwig@...>
caotope <johnvertical@...>
Jim Henry <jimhenry1973@...>