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Re: USAGE: Thorn vs Eth

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Wednesday, July 10, 2002, 20:54
En réponse à Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>:

> > The Old French were *not* the same as the modern French. _They_ did > not have /Z/ - they still pronounced words like 'damage', 'gentle' etc > with > /dZ/ which was similar enough to the Old English sound written {cg} to > keep my ancestors happy. >
Very true, although my book on Old French said that the particular dialect that would become Anglo-Norman had quite early deaffricated its affricates, compared to other dialects of Old French..
> And Old French _did_ have the sounds [D] and [T]. The English 'faith', > e. > g., > is derived from Old French 'feit' [fEiT] - they were positional > variants > of /d/ > and /t/ and eventually died out. >
My book said that they were already dead in all dialects by the XIth century (which represents a very early version of Old French, so early that it nearly cannot be called French at all). Were Anglo-Normans already in England by then? And I thought the English had borrowed French words with final /t/ as [T] only because of the fact that the French /t/ was dental rather than alveolar... Christophe. Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.


Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>Norman French (was: Thorn vs Eth)